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		<title>By: Dave Starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob and Mary.  Thanks so much for commenting.  As far as your questions, I can only give some general answers.  First it makes abig difference (I think) in ypour living costs if one or both spouses are Filipinos/former Filipios.

Second, I&#039;m not sure where &#039;here&#039; is.  Are you living in the Philippines now, or planning to move here which is what your first sentence seems to indicate.

Third, depending where you live in the Philippines you might6 squeeze by on $1000 USD per month but a great deal depnds on you medical care requirements.  If you have medical coverage that works in the Philippines, you should be safe enough, but you could be put in a very precarious position if you have a medical problem and have to foot the bill out of pocket.  Medical care is typically on a cash basis here, one the &quot;everything down and nothing per month&quot; plan.

Also with health care consider this.  Many US plans factor in Medicare when you reach 65.  In other words at age 65 they expect Medicare to pay first and then they pay what Medicare doesn&#039;t pay.  The problem is you can&#039;t use medicare in the Philippines, so you muight be in great shape until age 65 and then discover a huge gap in coverage.

Summary advice?  You can live in the Philippine son $1000 USD per month but you won&#039;t live very comfortably.  Number two thought is, if I had obnly $1000 USD available I wouldn&#039;t be living here.  The US is a much better place to be poor than the Philippines, it&#039;s a great life here if you can pay cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob and Mary.  Thanks so much for commenting.  As far as your questions, I can only give some general answers.  First it makes abig difference (I think) in ypour living costs if one or both spouses are Filipinos/former Filipios.</p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;m not sure where &#8216;here&#8217; is.  Are you living in the Philippines now, or planning to move here which is what your first sentence seems to indicate.</p>
<p>Third, depending where you live in the Philippines you might6 squeeze by on $1000 USD per month but a great deal depnds on you medical care requirements.  If you have medical coverage that works in the Philippines, you should be safe enough, but you could be put in a very precarious position if you have a medical problem and have to foot the bill out of pocket.  Medical care is typically on a cash basis here, one the &#8220;everything down and nothing per month&#8221; plan.</p>
<p>Also with health care consider this.  Many US plans factor in Medicare when you reach 65.  In other words at age 65 they expect Medicare to pay first and then they pay what Medicare doesn&#8217;t pay.  The problem is you can&#8217;t use medicare in the Philippines, so you muight be in great shape until age 65 and then discover a huge gap in coverage.</p>
<p>Summary advice?  You can live in the Philippine son $1000 USD per month but you won&#8217;t live very comfortably.  Number two thought is, if I had obnly $1000 USD available I wouldn&#8217;t be living here.  The US is a much better place to be poor than the Philippines, it&#8217;s a great life here if you can pay cash.</p>
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		<title>By: ROB AND MARY</title>
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		<dc:creator>ROB AND MARY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOOKING TO MOVE TO THE PHILLIPINES VERY SOON. MY WIFE AND I ARE IN OUR FIFTIES. JUST MARRIED LAST YEAR. I AM A RETIRED SHERIFF DEPUTY. WE WANT TO LIVE HERE TILL WE EXPIRE.  LOOKING FRO A HOUSE RENTAL.  I WANT TO LIVE HERE BUT ONLY HAVE 1000.00  A MONTH U.S.D  .  PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ADVISE THANKS ROB AND MARY...????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOOKING TO MOVE TO THE PHILLIPINES VERY SOON. MY WIFE AND I ARE IN OUR FIFTIES. JUST MARRIED LAST YEAR. I AM A RETIRED SHERIFF DEPUTY. WE WANT TO LIVE HERE TILL WE EXPIRE.  LOOKING FRO A HOUSE RENTAL.  I WANT TO LIVE HERE BUT ONLY HAVE 1000.00  A MONTH U.S.D  .  PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ADVISE THANKS ROB AND MARY&#8230;????</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Andy ... Thanks for reading and for your comments.  Yep, things are different here.  Most Ameruicans have trouble with two issues you have already faced.  Rental housing is hard to find, short-term furnished rentals eve harder, and landlords in the Philippines epect tenants to do more for themselves ... even things like hot water.

Hot water in the Philippuines is normally provided via individual &#039;flash&#039; wate rheaters at the tap where the water is needed.  Actually, many new energy-efficient US homes are being built this way too, as the individualk jeaters are way, way more energy-efficient than the &#039;normal&#039; methpud of heating a 40 gallon tank in the baement and then piping it to reach outlet.  It&#039;s common practice to buy an individual heater at harware or builder&#039;s stores, connect to the shower and then take it with you when you leave, so rerat assured you are getting good advice.

This will _not_ be the strangest thing you&#039;ll encounter here I am pretty sure ... but take them is stride and you&#039;ll probably be glad you did.  Happy Holidays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Andy &#8230; Thanks for reading and for your comments.  Yep, things are different here.  Most Ameruicans have trouble with two issues you have already faced.  Rental housing is hard to find, short-term furnished rentals eve harder, and landlords in the Philippines epect tenants to do more for themselves &#8230; even things like hot water.</p>
<p>Hot water in the Philippuines is normally provided via individual &#8216;flash&#8217; wate rheaters at the tap where the water is needed.  Actually, many new energy-efficient US homes are being built this way too, as the individualk jeaters are way, way more energy-efficient than the &#8216;normal&#8217; methpud of heating a 40 gallon tank in the baement and then piping it to reach outlet.  It&#8217;s common practice to buy an individual heater at harware or builder&#8217;s stores, connect to the shower and then take it with you when you leave, so rerat assured you are getting good advice.</p>
<p>This will _not_ be the strangest thing you&#8217;ll encounter here I am pretty sure &#8230; but take them is stride and you&#8217;ll probably be glad you did.  Happy Holidays.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Wooldridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Wooldridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Dave,
I found this wonderful site a few weeks ago while reseaching what to expect when I moved there. Now I just go in and read the older blogs and this time I thought I&#039;d at least say thanks to all the contributors. I will be in Davao City to be with my fiance for the second time in January. And also to look at some houses. She is very prudent and I told her this time we should just rent a house that was furnished instead of a western hotel downtown. Well she found us a house for only p12000 a month. And I just told her it had to have hot water. She said yes and refridgerator and stove. In disbelief I sent her the money and she reserved it for us. Oh her sister and two little girls will stay too.  Now next day it seems the hot shower is in the form of portable shower that I have to buy. hehe Is ok though because when we leave it was agreed that we could take and she has no hot water at home and I will experince REAL live in the Philippines,  Thank you again for your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Dave,<br />
I found this wonderful site a few weeks ago while reseaching what to expect when I moved there. Now I just go in and read the older blogs and this time I thought I&#8217;d at least say thanks to all the contributors. I will be in Davao City to be with my fiance for the second time in January. And also to look at some houses. She is very prudent and I told her this time we should just rent a house that was furnished instead of a western hotel downtown. Well she found us a house for only p12000 a month. And I just told her it had to have hot water. She said yes and refridgerator and stove. In disbelief I sent her the money and she reserved it for us. Oh her sister and two little girls will stay too.  Now next day it seems the hot shower is in the form of portable shower that I have to buy. hehe Is ok though because when we leave it was agreed that we could take and she has no hot water at home and I will experince REAL live in the Philippines,  Thank you again for your site.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott, you heard it first from the real source ... you need no reason at all.  Feel free to contact me direct if you have any specisl questions, but absolutely you need no reason to come here at all except a desire, a passport and teh air fare.  TThanks for dropping by, reading my column and leaving a comment ... hope to see you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott, you heard it first from the real source &#8230; you need no reason at all.  Feel free to contact me direct if you have any specisl questions, but absolutely you need no reason to come here at all except a desire, a passport and teh air fare.  TThanks for dropping by, reading my column and leaving a comment &#8230; hope to see you again.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi tim scott- Sure, you can come for any reason you want, or no reason at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi tim scott- Sure, you can come for any reason you want, or no reason at all!</p>
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		<title>By: tim scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can an american go live in the phillipines for any reason? Do I need any special reason to go there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can an american go live in the phillipines for any reason? Do I need any special reason to go there?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John Miele ... thanks for the personal observations, John.  Indeed this really happens all too often.  Whay we as foreigners esp[ecially need to guard againts is the almost unconcious attitude all of us at one time or another seem to suffer from ... kind of summed up by the words, &#039;&quot;after all, being from the US (or whatever country) I am, after all, smarter than &#039;they&#039; are.&quot;

Well on a person versus person basis, everyone of us is smarter than someone and not as smart a sothers ... but our home-country based knowledge is very often flawed when it comes to doing things here in the Philippines.  There are a thousand and one jokes about Filipinos in the US FOB (Fresh Off the Boat).  What we have to guard against ... and believe me I am not preaching from the pulpit here, I&#039;ve trapped myself more times than I like to think of ... we Westerners are all FOB for long after we arrive here.

Got to take &#039;baby steps&#039; until you really learn the ropes and you have to remember that the Filipinos were here, running things their way and making things happen in their country long before the USA was even the 13 original colonies.  And the Chinese ... a large proportion of Filipino ethnicity ... had a very advanced civilization already back when European countries were living in mud huts and communicating with grunts.

There&#039;s a lot to learn here, for people who are open to learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John Miele &#8230; thanks for the personal observations, John.  Indeed this really happens all too often.  Whay we as foreigners esp[ecially need to guard againts is the almost unconcious attitude all of us at one time or another seem to suffer from &#8230; kind of summed up by the words, &#8216;&#8221;after all, being from the US (or whatever country) I am, after all, smarter than &#8216;they&#8217; are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well on a person versus person basis, everyone of us is smarter than someone and not as smart a sothers &#8230; but our home-country based knowledge is very often flawed when it comes to doing things here in the Philippines.  There are a thousand and one jokes about Filipinos in the US FOB (Fresh Off the Boat).  What we have to guard against &#8230; and believe me I am not preaching from the pulpit here, I&#8217;ve trapped myself more times than I like to think of &#8230; we Westerners are all FOB for long after we arrive here.</p>
<p>Got to take &#8216;baby steps&#8217; until you really learn the ropes and you have to remember that the Filipinos were here, running things their way and making things happen in their country long before the USA was even the 13 original colonies.  And the Chinese &#8230; a large proportion of Filipino ethnicity &#8230; had a very advanced civilization already back when European countries were living in mud huts and communicating with grunts.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot to learn here, for people who are open to learning.</p>
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		<title>By: John Miele</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Miele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave:

Further to your comments, I see many half-finished or gigantic, out of proportion, homes up in Cagayan sitting empty, waiting for a buyer. In the RP, considering a house as an investment is wishful thinking in the provinces. Build a home to live in or house a business, but thinking that you can &quot;flip&quot; property here is unrealistic at best. (As a side note... Most of those empty houses were built by foreigners thinking they could simply sell them quickly at a profit if they needed to leave).

Rebecca looks at property as something to invest ON, rather than IN. Build a shop, plant rice, whatever... But USE it rather than hoping to realize a gain. We just bought some land near a university to open a dormitory for students. We will use the land. If the dorm fails, we tear it down and plant rice, fruit, etc. We could also use the buildings for storage / warehousing. Point is, the land itself is not the investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave:</p>
<p>Further to your comments, I see many half-finished or gigantic, out of proportion, homes up in Cagayan sitting empty, waiting for a buyer. In the RP, considering a house as an investment is wishful thinking in the provinces. Build a home to live in or house a business, but thinking that you can &#8220;flip&#8221; property here is unrealistic at best. (As a side note&#8230; Most of those empty houses were built by foreigners thinking they could simply sell them quickly at a profit if they needed to leave).</p>
<p>Rebecca looks at property as something to invest ON, rather than IN. Build a shop, plant rice, whatever&#8230; But USE it rather than hoping to realize a gain. We just bought some land near a university to open a dormitory for students. We will use the land. If the dorm fails, we tear it down and plant rice, fruit, etc. We could also use the buildings for storage / warehousing. Point is, the land itself is not the investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Richard ... The way things have timed out has made me look pretty smart ... so I&#039;ll just sit back and let people think that I am ... no sense destroying their illusions.

Mainly because we were planning to move to the Philippines as soon as my wife&#039;s US citizenship was granted, which should hav ebeen in 2005 (it doesn&#039;t happen in the expected htree years of US residency, folks ;-)) we decided to sell our home in Colorado Springs.  We even made a small profit.  Praise the Lord.

The fellow who bought it invested a non-trivial amnount in a big fencing project, a lot of redecorating and &quot;upgrades&quot; and it has been for sale several times since (marvelous thing, the Internet).  As of the last time we saw it listed the asking price was half what he paid in 2005 ... and so far as I know it isn&#039;t sold yet.

Massive over-supply of houses coupled with these unregulated mortgages that shoot up enormously in the third or fourth year have really taken the &#039;shine&#039; off the real estate market in my view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Richard &#8230; The way things have timed out has made me look pretty smart &#8230; so I&#8217;ll just sit back and let people think that I am &#8230; no sense destroying their illusions.</p>
<p>Mainly because we were planning to move to the Philippines as soon as my wife&#8217;s US citizenship was granted, which should hav ebeen in 2005 (it doesn&#8217;t happen in the expected htree years of US residency, folks <img src='http://liveinthephilippines.com/content/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) we decided to sell our home in Colorado Springs.  We even made a small profit.  Praise the Lord.</p>
<p>The fellow who bought it invested a non-trivial amnount in a big fencing project, a lot of redecorating and &#8220;upgrades&#8221; and it has been for sale several times since (marvelous thing, the Internet).  As of the last time we saw it listed the asking price was half what he paid in 2005 &#8230; and so far as I know it isn&#8217;t sold yet.</p>
<p>Massive over-supply of houses coupled with these unregulated mortgages that shoot up enormously in the third or fourth year have really taken the &#8217;shine&#8217; off the real estate market in my view.</p>
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