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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave,

There was a feature in LA Times on geothermal energy. The US gov&#039;t is intensifying their search for alternative fuel and geothermal energy is one of the source that is cheap and available.
In that news article, the Philippines was identified as the #2 country in the world in terms of utilizing this resource.  I remember Tiwi Albay plant in the early 80&#039;s being a fully operational then when green energy was not in vogue yet.  Do you know any other new geothermal plants developed since then?
Very informative article Dave.

Gerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>There was a feature in LA Times on geothermal energy. The US gov&#8217;t is intensifying their search for alternative fuel and geothermal energy is one of the source that is cheap and available.<br />
In that news article, the Philippines was identified as the #2 country in the world in terms of utilizing this resource.  I remember Tiwi Albay plant in the early 80&#8217;s being a fully operational then when green energy was not in vogue yet.  Do you know any other new geothermal plants developed since then?<br />
Very informative article Dave.</p>
<p>Gerry</p>
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		<title>By: Hope Less</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hope Less</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too much talking, when will be the walking?????? To all concerned, can we get together and shove all of these factual sensible action items to the great minds of the Malacanang Palace?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too much talking, when will be the walking?????? To all concerned, can we get together and shove all of these factual sensible action items to the great minds of the Malacanang Palace?????</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

I can&#039;t answer your questions because I didn&#039;t take note on all the details. But the jist of it was that solar technology is expensive as the average cost for a home installation is between $20,000 and $30,000 dollars in the US. And this will take a long time to pay for itself. Solar PV panels are expessive and labor cost are expensive here in US.

Now in the Philippines, the labor cost is much lower, but the problem is getting hold of solar panels at reasonable cost. When I was in Davao, I tried to find a the only listed solar technology company but they had either moved or gone out of business. The Philippines manufactures solar panels, but I don&#039;t think they sell much there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t answer your questions because I didn&#8217;t take note on all the details. But the jist of it was that solar technology is expensive as the average cost for a home installation is between $20,000 and $30,000 dollars in the US. And this will take a long time to pay for itself. Solar PV panels are expessive and labor cost are expensive here in US.</p>
<p>Now in the Philippines, the labor cost is much lower, but the problem is getting hold of solar panels at reasonable cost. When I was in Davao, I tried to find a the only listed solar technology company but they had either moved or gone out of business. The Philippines manufactures solar panels, but I don&#8217;t think they sell much there.</p>
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		<title>By: hill roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>hill roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Dave,

Sooooo glad we both cleared the air. I do enjoy joining this site and reading
good, sensible, even funny comments from  readers and posters. Thank you
for your good articles. Much appreciated. Regards. Hill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Dave,</p>
<p>Sooooo glad we both cleared the air. I do enjoy joining this site and reading<br />
good, sensible, even funny comments from  readers and posters. Thank you<br />
for your good articles. Much appreciated. Regards. Hill</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gary --- Thanks for your comment.  Where the ehck were you when I was taking heat a while back for advocating that the proper role of government was as little role as possible?

If you think excess taxation is anti-entrepreneurship then you need to come to the Philippines.  Tax-wise it&#039;s the wild wild west here.  There are whole huge segments of small business that are just designated as the &#039;underground&#039; economy ... untaxed. unrecorded, unfettered by any government interference (or assistance).

I do submit. though, that is a tax be leagal,a nd if employees are apid by the government to collect that tax, they they are boundboth by law and honor to do so.  That was the trust of the article you take exception to.

Whether ot not tax should be levied is indeed a totally different question.  But if taxes are legally in place and employees are paid to do the job then I submit to fail is malfeasance.  Ignoring laws is not an acceptable solution to changing them democratically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gary &#8212; Thanks for your comment.  Where the ehck were you when I was taking heat a while back for advocating that the proper role of government was as little role as possible?</p>
<p>If you think excess taxation is anti-entrepreneurship then you need to come to the Philippines.  Tax-wise it&#8217;s the wild wild west here.  There are whole huge segments of small business that are just designated as the &#8216;underground&#8217; economy &#8230; untaxed. unrecorded, unfettered by any government interference (or assistance).</p>
<p>I do submit. though, that is a tax be leagal,a nd if employees are apid by the government to collect that tax, they they are boundboth by law and honor to do so.  That was the trust of the article you take exception to.</p>
<p>Whether ot not tax should be levied is indeed a totally different question.  But if taxes are legally in place and employees are paid to do the job then I submit to fail is malfeasance.  Ignoring laws is not an acceptable solution to changing them democratically.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ellen --- certainly governement incentives have a role.  I really think though that full integration of solar in that way is a bit far off.  Funny how so many have peicke dup on the solar (and the Galoc oil fioelds) (note to myself, remeber that oil is afour-letter word) and completely bypassed the two best solutuons .. geothermal (already well underway and earning money right here in the Philippines) and biodgestrs (suitable for tiny farm holdings and proven economically viable right here in the Philippines as well).

One thing I didn&#039;t write enough about, though, is the simple fact that environmentally we ought to be doing something, regardless of profitability ... but that&#039;s too idealistic for many, so I&#039;ll ratchet back on that course for another day.  Anyone who tavels to the Philippines primarly by the wind is already in my corner, in deed if not by politics ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ellen &#8212; certainly governement incentives have a role.  I really think though that full integration of solar in that way is a bit far off.  Funny how so many have peicke dup on the solar (and the Galoc oil fioelds) (note to myself, remeber that oil is afour-letter word) and completely bypassed the two best solutuons .. geothermal (already well underway and earning money right here in the Philippines) and biodgestrs (suitable for tiny farm holdings and proven economically viable right here in the Philippines as well).</p>
<p>One thing I didn&#8217;t write enough about, though, is the simple fact that environmentally we ought to be doing something, regardless of profitability &#8230; but that&#8217;s too idealistic for many, so I&#8217;ll ratchet back on that course for another day.  Anyone who tavels to the Philippines primarly by the wind is already in my corner, in deed if not by politics <img src='http://liveinthephilippines.com/content/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Kevin ... thabnks for your comment.  Let me ask you a couple questions abiout this conference, just for kicks.

Was the contention that solar energy is not economically viable based on $200 a barrel crus eoil or $47 a barrel crude?

What was the cost per kilowatt hour used to reach the economic conclusion?

What was the expertise level of the presenters regarding the Philippines?

The reason I ask these questions is not to be contentious but to perhaps illusttrate stah such blanket &#039;it won&#039;t work&#039; contentions have been crippling the advancement of alternative power for years.  It&#039;s scientifically facile.  I can &#039;prove&#039; solar is economically viable or &#039;prove&#039; it won&#039;t be viable for 100 years if I don&#039;t have to specify the yardstick I measure with.

Also i assume this study was based on US cnsitons?  On average the Philippines has 3 or 4 times the effective solar budget and electric costs here ar four to five times the cost in the US ... as you see, this might move the goalposts a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kevin &#8230; thabnks for your comment.  Let me ask you a couple questions abiout this conference, just for kicks.</p>
<p>Was the contention that solar energy is not economically viable based on $200 a barrel crus eoil or $47 a barrel crude?</p>
<p>What was the cost per kilowatt hour used to reach the economic conclusion?</p>
<p>What was the expertise level of the presenters regarding the Philippines?</p>
<p>The reason I ask these questions is not to be contentious but to perhaps illusttrate stah such blanket &#8216;it won&#8217;t work&#8217; contentions have been crippling the advancement of alternative power for years.  It&#8217;s scientifically facile.  I can &#8216;prove&#8217; solar is economically viable or &#8216;prove&#8217; it won&#8217;t be viable for 100 years if I don&#8217;t have to specify the yardstick I measure with.</p>
<p>Also i assume this study was based on US cnsitons?  On average the Philippines has 3 or 4 times the effective solar budget and electric costs here ar four to five times the cost in the US &#8230; as you see, this might move the goalposts a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Hill --- thanks for your comment.  And for the record I don&#039;t recall any time we have been &#039;crosswise&#039; in the past, so be assured I consider you a valauble reader and contributor .. if I gave that impressions, I apologize.

I&#039;m particularly heartened by your estimation of the Philippine media ... sometimes I get the idea it&#039;s just me ;-).  Seriously, this is my eighth country to actually live in and there is no country I cna think of on earth where the local press seems to &#039;tlak down&#039; it&#039;s own country and people.

What we really need is some good old fashioned cheerleading I think.  You know there are several shows that air on The Filipino Channel which goes out to the rest of the world about starting and running a business here in the Philippines, success story after success story, yet you seldom see anyhting like that on the domestic channels.

It&#039;s really a bit strange to me .. but then again, I am a stranger in a strange land ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Hill &#8212; thanks for your comment.  And for the record I don&#8217;t recall any time we have been &#8216;crosswise&#8217; in the past, so be assured I consider you a valauble reader and contributor .. if I gave that impressions, I apologize.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m particularly heartened by your estimation of the Philippine media &#8230; sometimes I get the idea it&#8217;s just me <img src='http://liveinthephilippines.com/content/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Seriously, this is my eighth country to actually live in and there is no country I cna think of on earth where the local press seems to &#8216;tlak down&#8217; it&#8217;s own country and people.</p>
<p>What we really need is some good old fashioned cheerleading I think.  You know there are several shows that air on The Filipino Channel which goes out to the rest of the world about starting and running a business here in the Philippines, success story after success story, yet you seldom see anyhting like that on the domestic channels.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really a bit strange to me .. but then again, I am a stranger in a strange land <img src='http://liveinthephilippines.com/content/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mauro ... thank you so much for your comments.  Indeed one think you said strikes home becuase I had so often said it myself, as an outsider looking in ... the single most crippling issue the Philippines faces today is not any of the common &#039;third-world&#039; ills and ailments people normally quote .. it&#039;s that &#039;we can&#039;t do it becuase we&#039;re &#039;only&#039; Filino&#039; attitude.  Even people high ranking in governement seem afficted with it.  T^he Philippines (and the Filipibnos can be as &#039;first world&#039; as they wish to let themselves be.  All the best to you and your great work ... building economically viable solar plants in Colorado is a heck of alot more engineeringly challeneging than building them in the Philippines.

One ote ... I do have an address in the US for business purposes but the chance of me returning to the US is slim to none.  The Philippines is my home for the foreseeable future and if I ever decide to leave there are a number of countries I would like to expereince before I&#039;d return to the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mauro &#8230; thank you so much for your comments.  Indeed one think you said strikes home becuase I had so often said it myself, as an outsider looking in &#8230; the single most crippling issue the Philippines faces today is not any of the common &#8216;third-world&#8217; ills and ailments people normally quote .. it&#8217;s that &#8216;we can&#8217;t do it becuase we&#8217;re &#8216;only&#8217; Filino&#8217; attitude.  Even people high ranking in governement seem afficted with it.  T^he Philippines (and the Filipibnos can be as &#8216;first world&#8217; as they wish to let themselves be.  All the best to you and your great work &#8230; building economically viable solar plants in Colorado is a heck of alot more engineeringly challeneging than building them in the Philippines.</p>
<p>One ote &#8230; I do have an address in the US for business purposes but the chance of me returning to the US is slim to none.  The Philippines is my home for the foreseeable future and if I ever decide to leave there are a number of countries I would like to expereince before I&#8217;d return to the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Chasdv --- Amen, my friend.  Yes it&#039;s pretty hard to tell someone who has lost their job, or whose penison has just dwindled to next to nothing to &#039;be of good cheer&#039;, but I will say, the US and the rest of the worls have certainly weathered worse and yes, things will certainly turn around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Chasdv &#8212; Amen, my friend.  Yes it&#8217;s pretty hard to tell someone who has lost their job, or whose penison has just dwindled to next to nothing to &#8216;be of good cheer&#8217;, but I will say, the US and the rest of the worls have certainly weathered worse and yes, things will certainly turn around.</p>
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