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Get out Americans!

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US troops with a Philippine soldier
US troops with a Philippine soldier

Over the past few days, I have gotten a slew of emails from concerned foreigners.  Americans, Canadians, Aussies and expats from many other countries.  They are all worried about two things:  safety, and whether they will be allowed to remain in the Philippines.

Safety?  Yep, there is suddenly a lot of fear.  Mostly because of some statements made by President Duterte.  President Duterte said earlier this week that he wants US troops to leave Mindanao.  In general, President Duterte is against foreign troops from any nation being stationed on Philippine soil. Seemingly expats and potential expats are worried that without foreign troops on Philippine soil we may not be safe here.

Welcome to stay? Yes, suddenly expats are worried whether they (we) are welcome in the Philippines at all.  Again, this stems from some of the same statements that came from President Duterte.  As he made these statements, some people are interpreting what he said as wanting all foreigners out of the Philippines.  Not only military, but even people like retirees and such.  People like you and I, the majority of the people who are reading this.

When reading this article it is important to remember that in the Philippines a “Kano” or “American” really means any foreigner.

Understanding President Duterte

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, former Mayor of Davao City
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, former Mayor of Davao City

I have lived in Davao for nearly 17 years.  The current Philippine President was our local Mayor for the vast majority of those years. The only times when he was not our Mayor in the time that I lived here was at times when he was not allowed to run due to term limits. When he was unable to run, his daughter, Inday Sara Duterte was our Mayor.  Now that Rodrigo Duterte is the President, of course he is no longer our Mayor, that job has again been taken by Inday Sara.

Understanding what President Duterte says, being able to decipher his words, is not an easy task.  For people who have lived long term in Davao and had a lot of exposure to Duterte, we are able to have a better understanding of what he is saying, or what he means.  This became evident during the Presidential campaign when a lot of Manila based reporters would come up with all kinds of wild ideas of what Duterte said.. later to be corrected by Davao based reporters who would give the proper perspective on what was actually meant by statements from Duterte.

Having lived in Davao for a while now, I feel that I have a fairly good understanding of President Duterte’s statements.

When President Duterte said recently that he wants American troops out of Mindanao, he went on ant talked at lenght and said he wants the Americans to go.  Many people are interpreting this as two different statements.

  • First that he wanted US troops to go.
  • Second that he wanted all Americans to go.

I can assure you that this is not the case.  Duterte can ramble on and on with his statements, and even though his statement about wanting Americans out came later, I can assure you that he was still talking about wanting the troops to leave.  He did not say that he wants American retirees, expats, business people or tourists to leave.  There is nothing to worry about.  If you are a foreigner living in the Philippines – in Mindanao or any other part of the country – I can assure you that you are still welcome here, and as long as you follow Philippine law, you will continue to be welcome in the Philippines.

Why does Duterte want foreign troops out?

It is a nationalism thing.  It is a sovereignty issue. Duterte is a strongly nationalistic person and proud to be a Filipino, as he should be.  Remember, Mr. Duterte was elected as the President of the Philippines, not the President to look out for US interests.  He is there to further the interests of the Philippines, not the interests of any other country.  If this comes as a shock to anybody, it should not.

I have been hearing from other expats who email me that President Duterte hates foreigners and specially Americans.  I do not believe that to be true.  I have met Mr. Duterte, and I have never felt at any time that he mis-treated me, or that he did not like me.  Whether it be Mr. Duterte or any person representing him, any time I have had dealings with these officials they have always treated me well.

American caused Explosion in Davao?

Old Evergreen Hotel in Davao where the explosion occurred in 2002
Old Evergreen Hotel in Davao where the explosion occurred in 2002

Back in 2002 there was an incident that happened in Davao.  An American man named Michael Meiring was staying for a relatively long term here in Davao.  at a place called the Evergreen Hotel.  Supposedly Meiring was here doing gold mining.  He used explosives as part of his gold mining work.  Well, there was an explosion at the Evergreen Hotel where Meiring was staying.  At first it was thought to be a bombing caused by some rebel group, but it turned out that Meiring was (supposedly) storing his mining explosives in his hotel room, and that caused an explosion.  Meiring was injured when this happened.

With Meiring in the hospital here in Davao, he was under guard because he would likely be facing charged due to the incident at the hotel.  A group of people were sent down from the US Embassy to “visit” Meiring, check on him and aid him.  When this group came to visit the hospital, they were allowed into Meiring’s room.  When they left, they snuck out Meiring with them.  When the guards looked into the room, they saw that Meiring was gone.

The US Embassy personnel took Meiring back to Manila and then flew him back to the States.  Most people here think that Meiring was likely a CIA agent.  I do not believe that the US Government has ever verified who Meiring was or why they illegally took him out of Davao.

After this incicent, then Mayor Duterte sought for the USA to return Meiring to Davao to face trial for his actions, but Meiring was never returned.  The USA never even offered an apology for sneaking him out of the city.  Duterte considered this as a real slap in the face and that the US had interfered in Philippine (and Davao) affairs unjustly.  Ever sine that happened Duterte has had negative feelings (in my opinion) against the US Government.

Let me make it clear that I have no first hand knowledge of these events.  I was living in Davao at the time and I am only passing along what was locally reported at the time.

Even though Duterte harbored (perhaps justly) ill feelings against the US Government for these actions, I have never known Duterte to treat any individual American citizens in Davao badly in any way.  In fact, every American I can think of who has lived in Davao has expressed to me that they like and admire Duterte for the fine job he did in Davao.

Are we safe if the troops are out?

Well, I feel that we are safe, at least as safe as we were while US troops were stationed on Mindanao.  The truth is that there have never been very many US troops on Mindanao at all. Back before the early 90s when the US had bases in the Philippines, those bases were not in Mindanao anyway, they were on Luzon (the main bases).  US troops came to Mindanao after the 9/11 attacks in 2001.  When the US got active in the War on Terror a small “unofficial” base was set up in the Zamboanga area of Mindanao.  While the US never really acknowledged the “base” or publicly stated how many troops were stationed there, it is locally believed that around 600 or 700 American troops were at this Joint Terrorism Task Force base.  I have been to Zamboanga and would occasionally see US troops in the area, but I never saw any US forces on any other part of Mindanao at any time in the past 17 years.  If any US personnel did go to other parts of the island they must have been very rare.

US troops in Mindanao
US troops in Mindanao

It is my understanding that currently there are only a fraction of the number of US troops still on Mindanao.  I would be surprised if there were 100 or even more than 50 US troops on the Island of Mindanao any longer. So, for those troops to leave would really not, in my opinion, have any impact on the safety of foreigners living in Mindanao.  Even when US forces were at their peak in Mindanao (unofficially of course), they were not really covering much of the island anyway, and really had no impact on the safety of foreigners in the vast majority of the island.

My conclusion

Based on all of this, I really do not think that the statements of President Duterte this past week should be a concern to any foreigners living here.  I believe that you are welcome in the Philippines, and I also believe that your safety is no different than it was in the past.  Now, understand.. there is no place on the earth that is perfectly safe!  Terrorists can strike anywhere.  We had a bombing here in Davao just 2 weeks ago, but I still feel safe and comfortable living here in Davao.  I have no plans to move permanently or even temporarily.  This is my home, and it would take something big to make me leave, and I don’t see that happening.

Some people have expressed worry about the Drug War that has been lead by the President.  I have written an article about that, and I planned to publish it today, but due to great concern that I have been hearing from expats, I decided to publish this article instead.  If you are interested in reading about he violence from the war on drugs, it will be coming here on LiP soon.. perhaps even tomorrow, I have yet to make a final decision on that.

Reader Interactions

Comments

  1. We are still revising our building schedule with an eye towards a possible exit strategy. I’m not worried about terrorists, I’m worried about suddenly living in the newest Chinese territory.

    • Even if Duterte’s words have things a little unsettled right now, the USA and the RP still have a defense treaty. I personally don’t think the Chinese are going to test that.

      • Bob, i dont think the Chinese have any plans to test the treaty. They have plans on making a deal with the new president. After all he said if they built him railroads he would give them what they want. He made it clear the former presidents hearing on China means little to him. He also publicly said he did not like America and said it was just his personal opinion. His plans to buy military products from 2 communist countries and the fact the communist party in the Philippines told him months ago they wanted the US out of the country is just evidence of his alience. I may be wrong but i think he will be the new Marcos of the Philipines:)

        • You are exactly right, Roger. Duterte wants to make a deal with the Chinese. If he could do that, I believe it would be a real coup for the Philippines, and could change the whole dynamic here.

          I have no feelings that he will become a dictator. I have seen him in operation for a long time, and I do not believe that he has any such thoughts. It would really shock me.

          • Meiring was a CIA treasure hunter. The CIA flew him out on one of their G5’s. A good friend of mine has 4 family members who are 25+ year CIA guys.

        • My opinion is Duterte is looking long term he probably sees closer ties with China being more beneficial to the Philippines long term and the West is in decline, China will overtake USA both financially and militarily ( in numbers certainly, quality of the military is another issue ) sometime in the second half of this century. China will want to control and influence its back yard, just like USA does.
          The counter balance to China will be India (which happens to be the largest democratic nation on Earth), so USA will have to strengthen its ties with India, and get some sort of alliance with India and Japan to act as a check on China.
          One big fly in the ointment which could destabilise the whole region is North Korea.

          As regards to ex-pats living here, there is no problem, you make a great contribution to the Philippine economy, remember your are guests, stick to the laws and enjoy your life, and always have a plan B and an exit plan.

      • Bob, there seems to be a lot of unnecessary hand-wringing paranoia regarding this subject. Duterte is no fool!! He knows tourism contributes 1.5 trillion annually to the the local economy.. Expat revenue contributes substantially to these figures.. Expats will have to be careful, keep a low profile and not get involved in local politics. Otherwise for most of us, life will go on…

        • You are probably right on the tourism angle. US is already in. Now, he is trying to draw Russia and China in. Of course, the US military gets booted out, or any foreign military force for that matter.

          These countries can then settle in without being prejudice. All is fair under the sunny Philippine skies (and typhoons). Just musing.

      • Yes, DU30 is building alliances with China and Russia and the US is obligated to assist the Philippines per treaty, so DU30 could care less about what lame duck Obama thinks.

    • Well, This is quite the dilemma. I’ve been following the news on Duterte for the last 3 months now and once being pro-Duterte, now being anti-Duterte. Living in Northern Mindanao for 4 years, Cagayan De Oro, I recently moved back to the USA. This post is not to induce fear, but is my convictions, so please don’t reply back with anger nor even agree.. Just read it only..
      I was happy when Duterte won the Presidency. However, over the last week, much information is surfacing and I concluded that president Duterte is anti-American. He wants our US troops out of the Mindanao, and tells all Americans white or black they are not safe particularly in Mindanao. Also through my search, I found out why Duterte is Anti-American because of a bombing occurring in 2002 in Davao while Duterte was major. Apparently, an expat Michael Meiring :Treasure Hunter” age 65 was staying at the Evergreen Hotel in Davoa and was making bombs either for himself for his Treasure hunting.. or was an agent for the US government.
      The bombs exploded in his room while he was in the room.. He lost a leg and was immediately taken to the hospital. He told Philippine Police a man through in a hand grenade into his window. Police Investigators later found out the bombs were made in his room and arrest warrants were filed. The following day FBI agents took Michael Meiring out of the Hospital without consent and flew out on a private jet to USA..
      So, I can understand his dislike with America

      Duterte stops joint maneuvers with American jet pilots in the South China Sea. Also, Duterte doesn’t want to purchase arms from the USA but is seeking China and Russia. So in my conclusion, Duterte doesn’t want anything to do with Americans.

      Duterte won May elections by a landslide, after vowing to kill 100,000 criminals and rid the country of illegal drugs in six months. Now, he wants an extension for another 6 months because he hasn’t killed enough people. The real problem isn’t killing people that are drug users or drug pushers. The real problem is no jury or trail and he supports vigilantism in a nationally-televised speech. My thoughts on this:

      The are killed on the spot, not trail, no jury.. Just killed on the spot. Better hope your neighbor likes you because if not it gives them a reason to kill you or anyone else for any reason at all Telling the police he’s a drug user or pusher and you tried to detain him but he resisted..

      Duterte states if congress tries to stop him, he will close down congress.. WTF.. if this isn’t a dictatorship, what is?
      Duterte has not ordered the American troops out of Mindanao.. He said they need to go. If they stay, they might be killed. This is a warning to get out.

      If the President doesn’t like Americans.. guess what? the Philippine people will start not liking Americans. So instead of, “Hi Joe”, it’s F-U Joe”

      I personally will not be going back to Mindanao until the President leaves office or dies whichever happens first.

      Bombing in Davao 2002
      http://www.prweb.com/releases/2002/08/prweb43861.htm

      Philippine president calls for US special forces to leave Mindanao
      https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/09/15/phil-s15.html

      president Duterte against USA and wants no partnership
      calling President Obama a “son of a whore”

      President Duterte calls US Ambassador a “Gay son of a whore”

      http://www.wsj.com/articles/manila-turns-anti-american-1473871189

      Duterte on CNN regarding jokes about a rape victim back in 1989

      http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/duterte-us-ambassador-comments/

      http://time.com/4462352/rodrigo-duterte-drug-war-drugs-philippines-killing/

      • Bob,
        As I see it the American Forces are in the way of the AFP to take care of the business down in your end of the country! The AFP & PNP have missions down there to eradicate Terrorists & Criminals & Drug Dealers! The United States Armed Forces are not by law allowed to engage or participate – only defend themselves. Thus take them out of the equation and let the AFP/PNP do what they have to do!
        Much Respect for the President and all the Filipino People to make this country safe for all once again!

    • Who do you think would be the smart man to govern our country sir…. fyi for how many years now this is the first time we have a president who have concern about the people of his nation specially the masses…. and about the international issues pls sir… dont just rely on what you have seen in media… learn more about our present administration by doing a bit of research…. we believe as a citizen of the philippines that our chosen president can uplift our nation to goodness….

    • I agree. What ever happened to proper English? DU30 is making alliances with Russia and China while lame duck Obama is obligated to assist the Philippines per treaty. Who is not too smart???

  3. Hello Bob:

    You will never be a successful reporter in the major media! What is missing from this story is sensationalism, exaggeration, and a very obvious slant to the story.

    Instead, it is straight forward, factual, and the only slant is that which is normal when written as anything other than a chart of statistics.

    In other words, good job, and if I wasn’t clear to anyone in the first paragraph, this is a compliment not criticism.

    • Thanks, LeRoy, I appreciate that. I freely admit that I am pro-Duterte. Having lived under his rule of Davao, I have seen amazing things that he has done, so I am hopeful that he can accomplish the best for the entire country. So far, I think he is doing well. From time to time, or a bit more frequently than that, he says things that maybe need clarification.. but that is Duterte. He has always been like that!

        • Hi John.J. – Thanks. Given that we both live in the Davao region, we have more experience and understanding of Duterte than most. I agree with you that he has good intentions and he has always been good at implementing his intentions too. I hope he continues to succeed as President.

      • I agree Bob,Where were all the crybabies about Crimes against Humanity when the drug Lords and drug dealers were getting people and yes children hooked on these drugs and where were they when people died from overdoses?
        I do not ever remember hearing their complaints then.
        I think most of these street dealers are being targeted by the drug lords,dead Men tell no tales,IMHO

        I applaud the President for taking a stand.GOD Bless us all in the Philippines.

  4. When I worked for the government a number of years ago, the often stated reason for giving money to other countries was for influence and control of their internal decisions.
    Possibly President Duarte wants less outside control?
    When I asked why we give to countries that hate us, when they could hate us for free, I was told I didn’t see the big picture.

  6. Good article,Bob.The only time I felt uneasy about our safety,we were returning to Davao City from the Philippine Eagle Aviary and somehow we got caught up in the middle of a military convoy.I was thinking this is either a great place to be or a very bad one……lol.

    • Bob…. I have expertise with humans… bein that I have been livin…. Duterte ain’t special…. just another politician. I will say the world is laughin a nervous laugh at the country that I love almost as much as my own …. so in other words…. the leaders of both my countries suck ass…. sovereign? Hmmm really ? Since when…. aid from so many…. welfare steals independence. Read between lines… take your blinders off…. socialist with leanings towards china…. good luck for us all. I’m still on my way…. but exit strategy is in place. NL8ND Faith In your leaders will get you killed. History proves this many times. I will say no more. I know where you stand and you know where I stand. I wish I had not comnented….. it may get he deported someday….. if I make it.

    • Yeah bob…. Ya did… and you are…. pure and simple… sugar coat it as you will. … your words and I quote ” maybe overly dramatic” in any language that’s an accusation. … passive as it maybe….. and you do cheer him on. Be as honest about him as you are about the leaders of your own country. … with no worries of business or deportation…. davao the safest city…. with targeted bomb blast, EJK’S, trash all over the outskirts, drugs rampant on the edges of the city, family dynasty politics, and 38% winning number, a fool leader to the world, thinks china is good and kind, thinks peace with jihad is possible. …. the man’s a complete sell out…. notice I did not call him an idiot…. a sell out . …. there ya go did ya get what ya wanted ? Because I damn well know you will never be honesy,about him because of your profile on the Internet in that country and you have a family to protect . I get it. Your hard on American leaders but not filo leaders…. Thst says somethin…. let freedom ring Bob.

    • No sugar coating. If I accused you I would say “you were melodramatic”. “Maybe” means that it is something to consider. I did not say you were melodramatic, I said maybe you were. If you are anti-Davao that is your choice. Given that you are thousands of miles from Davao and I am a long term resident in the heart of Davao, people can judge whose opinion is mor valuable.

      • Every one is entitled to their opinions, it does not make you wrong nor does it make you right. When opinions differ no amount of shouting or abuse or getting personal will change peoples opinions. The person with the different opinion to yourself is just as sincere as you, and is entitled to air their views, as you are.

    • Can’t see the forest for the trees…. ain’t anti davao…. I am anti bull crap propaganda….. and since you were the selling police on a disenting opinion…. I will let you find your own typos…. sorry bob…. your selling out the truth of the situation. The world is watching.

    • Hook line and sinker bob….. tell that to duterte…. he goes personal…. Than aplogises the next day…. he’s no damn different than obsma, hilary , trump…. name the politico….. that’s what I am sadly failing to get you yo admit. …. he is nothing more than a foolish politician. And absolutely nothing more…. a mayor on the world stage….. and trust me…. Kano’s back here that couldn’t give 2 shits about the phils are pissed off offended and saying screw them…. let them fend fir themselves, without the aid, the military and imigration…. many illegals here are filos on over stay visa….. americans are turning on everyone that steps on us…. bad shit is coming….. and duterte is fueling the flames of discontent…. I talk to all walks all across thus country. … the view of the philippines is not goid right now. And when I ask why…. the answers are the same. … Duterte and welfare in foreign aid and illegal immigration. …. shut is changing and not fir the good. Duterte has turned the eyes on the philippines…. and not in a favorable light. … believe that or nit. I have friends in iz, and European countries and it’s the same. … believe this or not. It Is fact…not news reports… this is population talking

      • For a bloke who wasnt going to say much, you have sure said quite a bit! Stop believing everything you read on the internet as gospel. Most of it is just media beatup and sensationalism! World war 3 was meant to have began 6 months ago in regards to the South China Sea dealings.
        Sensationalism sells newspapers!

  8. I too worried about this. But let’s rip the article apart. Firstly President Duterte is mainly saying Military. Nothing mentioned about expats. So please don’t start panicking. It’s easy for stories to get misinterpreted. Just relax.

  10. Thank you Bob,great article that puts my mind at ease up here in Imus,Cavite. I’ve been here 2wks & everywhere I have been so far the people have treated me very kindly,friendly & politely. Thank you again for the advice you gave me months ago before I arrived here about fitting in & having no great expectations – I am assimilating sir 😀

  11. I am very concerned. The whole economy might collapse as well as the rule of law.
    If someone wants you killed its enough to report you as a drug user/pusher.
    Its definitely going in the wrong direction.

    • Easy way too settle old scores. Shoot your enemy leave a piece of cardboard write pusher/dealer on it and leave a bag a shabu at the scene.

      Only 1500 of the 3500 deaths related to Duterte’s war on drugs where that of police. The rest are under investigation.

      • DU30 has openly said 100,000 will die. Don’t get involved with drugs in any way, shape, or form unless you want to be six feet under belly up.

  12. I have been here from Oct.-March for the last 4 years, and now live in Tagaytay permanently. My experience without exception thus far, has been the Filipino people that I know love Americans and welcome our presence both privatly and militarily. Most are actually concerned that some of Duterte’s remarks will alienate The US. I assure my Filipino friends that The US will never abandon the Filipino people. The US Government may have selfish reasons to be here strategicly, but The US-Philippine relationship is very strong.

  13. P. S. I love Duterte and think there is a movement worldwide to throw the corrupt bastards out of office in every country. Bob I completley understand the arguement wanting foreign forces out of Ones Country.

  14. Hi Bob

    A little bit off subject but I do get fed up with the mainstream global media’s reporting of President Duterte as they only seem to report the negative i.e. drugs killings.

    Who are the so called first world countries to criticise him for his reported actions? The USA & UK for example have their own methods of dealing with drugs and they have failed miserably. Duterte is trying his own methods and they have some positive effect. In the UK you might get a few years in prison for drug dealing and then you are free to get out and continue your life of crime.

    All this BS in the press about civil liberties for the drug dealers………what bout the civil liberties of the people who have their family life torn apart by the drugs that these people sell?

    There now, that feel better!

    Cheers

    AJ UK

  15. The first I read of this in a ” press report ” was that Duterte said he did not like Americans and the word military was not included I what I read. I believe what President Duterte is trying to convey to foreign governments is to not interfere of criticize his war on drugs within his own country. At the rate the war on drugs is going there I am under the impression he is putting a huge dent in the illegal drug situation and continues to have a good chance on winning it. How many other countries can make that claim ? I feel he gave those involved with illegal drugs a fair warning of what his plan on fighting it is and the fact that so many turned themselves in voluntarily verifies that. With a reported 91% approval rating from Filipinos how many other president or country leaders even come close to that.

    I too, am one of those that messaged you with concern about the comment made about Americans recently by President Duterte. If I had not already booked my plans for visit number 12 I could have been quite tempted to forget about it.

    I have been reading your blogs and articles for at least ten years now and they are consistant with a high degree of accuracy so I will take your word for it on this most recent issue. Maybe PH does not make much money from foreigners that live there but I wonder about foreign tourism which all indications are that it has been on the way up in recent years ?

    Many thanks for your take on this most recent situation Bob.

    • Thank you Bob, I feel that your comments are right on point.

      If I were in your shoes, I also would not be worried about making the trip, and would come and enjoy my well earned vacation! Have fun.

    • Hi John – Thanks! You know, I find it funny that my talks with other foreigners who live here show full support for Duterte’s actions so far.. but the ones who are abroad worry, sweat and squirm in worry. That is even evident to some degree in the comments on this article.

  17. Never have I come across so much over reaction! 1 bomb! Just 1, and people are panicking as if we are now living on the Gaza Strip! Get real. Have a read of ANY world news website and see whats going on elsewhere in practically EVERY country! Feel unsafe? Go wrap yourself in bubblewrap and hide under your bed!
    Only bad thing I have to say about Duterte is he needs to think a bit more before shooting from the hip. Emotion gets the better of him. Hes doing a fantastic job of killing off these scum drug users and sellers. They are worthless to the world!
    If only the Australian goverment had the guts to do what Duterte is doing. Instead drug dealers get to go to an Australian Holiday inn they call prison where they get three big meals a day, tv, comfortable bed and whatever else they want. Holiday camp and a slap on the wrist!

    • I agree with you on all points, Adam. As for the part of Duterte shooting from the hip (verbally).. that is Duterte. Those of us in Davao are used to it. It is not a surprise nor is it alarming to us. I don’t think he can change that, because that is how he always has been.

  19. Sad to say but Philippines is in a revolutionary mode now (just an opinion)… Pres. Duterte’s administration vs. Drug protectors and drug lords, drug addiction, political oppositions, oligarchs, corruption, insurgency, separatists, Abu Sayaff aka ISIS. Digong knows what he is doing and he is preparing for much worse than ISIS soon to come.

  20. In 1966 upon being told that President Charles DeGaulle had taken France out of NATO and that all U.S. troops must be evacuated off of French soil President Lyndon Johnson mentioned to Secretary of State Dean Rusk that he should ask DeGaulle about the Americans buried in France. Dean implied in his answer that that DeGaulle should not really be asked that in the meeting at which point President Johnson then told Secretary of State Dean Rusk:
    “Ask him about the cemeteries Dean!”
    That made it into a Presidential Order so he had to ask President DeGaulle.
    So at end of the meeting Dean did ask DeGaulle if his order to remove all U.S. troops from French soil also included the 60,000+ soldiers buried in France from World War I and World War II.

    DeGaulle, embarrassed, got up and left and never answered.”

    • I think the point Michael is making is that The US did liberate The Philippines and give them Sovereinty in 1946. Many americans died in this fight, and the mention of removing American (troops) may seem ungreatfull to some.

    • Yes, I see that point. But the point that the President is making is that the peace process would go smoother right now without American troops. I see no real problem with that.

    • The US troops that are here are indeed in an area where there could be some serious action. As far as I know there are no Americans or other foreigners living in the Sulu peninsula.

    • Bob Martin I wonder if the RP is in a position to fight on three fronts at once . . . Abu Sayef (sp?), NPA and their masters Peoples Republic of China. It would seem that on the best of days, they’d be stretched thin. All three are a threat to the RP. Before WWII, the RP was the 2nd wealthiest (only behind Japan) country in that part of the. No more. It takes, money, will and a credible force to ensure the RP’s territorial integrity. I’ve no doubt about the 2nd, but I’ve some reservations on the 1st and 3rd . . . I hope for the best, but fear the worst.

    • Mark F. Sanderson Probably not an issue for you or I to worry about. If they think they are up to the battle, it is their decision not ours. I will say that Duterte obviously plans to try to negotiate peace on two of the three that you mention and kill the third group.

    • Bob Martin I pray for his success . . . but negotiations with those folks without the muscle to back it up – a complete waste of time in my view . . . but I’m a software engineer not a political analyst . . .

    • True Mark and I said it a while back this should of never happened. An emergency session with all the allies and the countries involved in the dispute should of been done right from the start. As soon as R. Duterte became the president and the courts ruled in favor of this country the allies should of been all convened.

    • John Wallace If you embarrass a bully and give him a bloody nose, then he’ll think twice about harassing you . . . of course I’m strictly speaking about school yard bullies . . .

    • Bob Martin I don’t believe he’s a bully at all . . . his foreign adversaries and domestic terrorists he dealing with . . . well that would be a nice name for them . . .I’m a Texan, I admire someone who speaks their mind . . . even if I disagree with it (and most of the time I don’t).

  21. Sad thing is that we are getting verbal attacks from certain people now because of this. The fact that he went on television accusing the US of the Moro Massacre just created hatred. I was told “Americano go home!” just because people pick up disinformation on social networks and television and they interpret it to their own. Also the fact that he just said “for your own safety!” This is like hinting to the crazies out there that once the US army is out of Mindanao that these crazing might have free range on foreigners. There are some confusing statements and that is not good in either way.
    By the way I’m Canadian! I don’t need the extra grief, that is for sure.

  22. It’s very easy to say we trust him but the problem is can we trust the people that he might influence in hating foreigners. He seems to be inviting China while he pushes the allies. Even Australia is asking question at this point! Some of the German doctors in areas around us are leaving. What good does that do? Volunteers from different organizations are doing the same. If that’s a positive thing for the people here I think not.

  23. The entire problem stemmed from the American Ambassador becoming involved with remarks made in the run up to the election. That was followed by comments by Obama regarding human rights violations in the Philippines. I think the point Duterte was making was that the US’s own record of human rights is far from perfect citing the example of the conflict with the Moro during the US occupation of the Philippines. Personally I think once again it was a lost in translation incident when what he was attempting to say simply was, stay out of our internal affairs no more no less.

  24. The political picture changed DRAMATICALLY since yesterday.
    It was all over last night’s TV headlines news.
    Not good.

  25. Is it safe to say, “Duterte brings out the good and the worst in us?” UN, Obama, Widodo, De Lima, Pnoy, and more to come (?) What does that make him? He like’s to stir the pot. eh? An enigma? An anomaly? a what!? 🙂

  31. I read Bobs article and makes a good point. But I think what is left out is the way President Duterti is talking and denigrating our government (US) our president as well as the fear he is instilling in expats, and making overtures to China for weapons and friendship. I have always held the view that China needs the Philippines to be part of its breadbasket since over 50% of China is polluted. He has said that he wants to bring the NPA into his government, and mentions the founder as his professor in college. The freedom of the Philippines as well as all the other Asian nations on treaty with the US is guaranteed freedom under the umbrella of our protection. One of our fears is the loss of that protection, as we have families here. The super majority of Filipinos admire and want a relationship with the US..The anti American sentiment is by a small minute minority of Filipinos with loud voices, which President Duterti makes himself sound like with his choice of words. And words in my opinion coming from the most grammatically correct English speaking nation in the world. To bring up Muslim slaughter that took place 100 years ago is improper. In reality the Christian Philippines have killed more, and stolen lands belonging to the Muslim. I admire President Duterti’s proud feelings of his country and his commitment to end drugs and criminality. Though the approach is on its face not to the liking of westerners, but maybe that is the only thing or way understandable and acceptable to the majority of Filipinos who are mostly poor. Myself, I could care less if they strung a drug pusher up by his genitals, but unfortunately that kind of lawlessness fosters a more dangerous approach for the future. As rights taken away are never really given back, and then it will require another uprising and more violence and death to restore a democratic constitution again. That is the real fear as most of us expats could careless what they do to criminal drug lords, pushers and especially if they are in the public servants.

  32. Over reaction?
    A fist fight almost broke out between Trillanes and Cayetano.
    They made them sit far apart from each other so that they can’t restart the fight.
    Why are they so hot tempered?
    What’s going on?
    Both senators!

    • Thats politics Palawanbob. Google up Pauline Hanson in Australia and check out her views.
      As for people here worrying about their safety. Get a grip. Unless you live on the Sulu peninsula you are fine.
      Remember what was going to happen to the world when we ticked over to January 1 year 2000? We all should have died 16 years ago!
      Chill out!

  33. If Trump wins the upcoming election, it’s possible the US military could leave the Philippines completely. I suspect Duterte and Trump would trade many insults. If Duterte can no longer “play” the US military as he is currently doing, he may desperately seek US support instead. The question then becomes “Will the US give it?”.

  34. what was not mentioned maybe was that the Americans were being told to leave while the Chinese will be given access to military camps in the guise of constructing those rehab centers that china will be donating.. this in conjunction with stopping joint patrols of WPS with US Navy then limiting local navy to patrol only 12 miles from shore and let china takes control of the rest of the 200-mile EEZ.. it’s good timing we have the senate circus at the moment to divert all attention from this..

  35. No real good reason for US Troops to be there anymore anyway they haven’t accomplished anything there since World War Two. They are not allowed to engage in combat under the treaty so what’s the point? For the last 10 years US Troops have been in Irag and Afgan and things are far worse there now then they ever have been. What’s the reason to be in those countries any longer? Maybe they should be stationed in Chicago where there was over 90 murders due to gang violence in the streets last month. And those who fathom all Americans getting kicked out of the PH, COME ON; it doesn’t make any sense. The USA’s number one biggest fan is the Filipino people. Google it yourself, they love Americans more then any other country likes them. I’m sure Duterte’s knows this. Stop worrying and start living.

    • US Troops have done some terrorist eradication over the years, and played an important role in ending some kidnapping crises with American hostages. But, i agree that it is a good time for them to leave and let the Philippine forces take care of things.

  37. My opinion bob is this if duterte pisses USA president off enough we could pull the aid out of the Philippines especially if Donald trump gets in which I hope not. It takes a lot to get Obama mad but his term is almost over. And I don’t know about Hillary how she would handle duterte my point is America been helping the Philippines for years and years. Don’t want that to end over a president that runs his mouth especially if another president that runs his mouth gets in U.S side. The news kinda compared trump to duterte. But my country USA can’t afford a republican in office to cause WW3. I hope that between the Filipino people and American people there be ok in life together. I have asawa there bob and it’s taken me time to get back there. But I don’t want to be hassled by any government when I go to phils.

  38. I went to a moon cake festival last night at the Singapore Ambassadors residence. It was a major topic, not about that the American should leave, but for all the foreigners and their investments that are considering entering the Phils. For the Singaporeans, the President’s comments really concern them and whether they should continue the long-term investment, especially in the construction industry. For now, its a wait and see if whether the killings and rhetoric comes down after 6 months. Investors like stability.

  39. I wonder who really believes that a loss of US aid would not be quickly replaced from a different source? It is not expats’ job to govern the Philippines. Some of the pontificating that I am reading here is truly astounding.

    • John offers much wisdom here. I went to Ethiopia in 1998 and in 2011. That second time it was amazing how much infrastructure had emerged and paid for by countries who are not the U.S. I was also surprised at the number of Chinese people now living/working there.

    • Well, for a start, what about building and payimg for all of the rail, airport, and road infrastructure that was promised in exchange for not protesting the spratleys or offering to “share”. Not beyond the realm of believability. Oh..
      And millions of annual chinese or russian tourists would spend a hell of a lot more money than a bunch of cantankerous old farts on pensions and cause a lot less noise

    • BTW..
      China built their domestic bullet train network in about 5 years covering thousands of kilometers. If there is desire for it to happen, it might bery well happen.

      • Jim,
        You are right. When dealing with China it’s like dealing with the devil. Foreign investment other than China could be hurt in the long term. And who knows what the Chinese economy will be in the future as it is down now. I like what Duterte is doing with the drugs/corruption, but nobody knows what the future holds.

    • The US president ..can order the Dept of State to declare the Philippines as supporting terrorist activity..an stop all remittances flowing into the Philippines….that would not require congressional approval..

      It’s how Trump intends to get Mexico to pay for his wall..

      They could also cancel those work visas..

      That would be a hard thing for the Philippines to replace….

    • I was thinking of all the aid, both government and private, plus the supplies and manpower provided following nearly every typhoon or disastrous flood in the Philippines. I am wondering if DU30 even thinks about all of that.

    • When Thailand has the tsunami a few years back…one of their anti-America government officials ..said something about an aircraft carrier group showing up..and ask why we sent a warship…then SOS Colin Powell..replied by explaining the number of doctors on board and the hospital with 6 operating rooms and the ability to helicopter the wounded…the US is very good at war…and evacuation and treatment of our wounded

    • Jim Cunningham but they don’t ..they did not even come close to US aid during the typhoon…and can they hire over 3 million workers at a minimum wage of at least $7.59 per hour….the answer is no …

    • Jim Cunningham ..why would post it on this comment.. which was clearly not about trade…but to answer that…China would have to up their purchases of Philippine goods by over 2 billion per year…the Philippines has little they cannot produce themselves..

  44. Hi Bob
    I pose a hypothetical question to you. I thought of it when Duterte showed the picture of Americna soldier standing over a dead Moro. Dutetrte was saying you killed my ancestors. When America took over the Philippines it took the Americans several more years to pacificy and bring the Muslims and Mindanao into the Philippines. Mindanao was at that time 90% Muslim with Spain controlling mostly in the coastal areas and the Caraga region.
    If the Americans never took over the Philippines could the newly independent Philippines bring the Muslims and Mindanao into their new country? Secondly Duterte is very fond of Marcos who helped instigate the MNLF rebellion against the Philippine government. He can’t blame him for killing Muslims.

    • If the Americans never took the Philippines, Muslim Mindanao would have formed their own government under the Philippine flag. That is federalist idea of Aguinaldo.

      • That would never have happened. The Muslims would never had allowed unchecked migration of Filipino Christians into Mindanao. There would have to have at some point a pacification program to fully incorporate Mindanao into the Philippines. Look at Thailand and their problems with their Muslim south.

  45. Hi Bob
    I do believe Duterte is correct in stating if the Americans are really going to protect us. Obviously we have the mutual defense treaty but that does not cover the Spratlies. I do believe if the Philippines was invaded like Luzon island itself then the Americans would come in.
    I wish that we did give more military support to the Philippines instead of just two old coast guard ships and military training. I blame Obama for that.
    If Duterte does become closer to China then Japan will give less military equipment to the Philippines since the main reason they are doing so is to help other countries that have issues with China making large claims over nearby seas.
    It also remains to be seen is how much the Chinese are willing to budge. Ramos went to ask China if the Filipino fishermen can go back to fishing in Scarborough reef. No answer and it appears that China may want to build a man made island there so to a have huge triangle of islands in the South China Sea to cement their control over the area.

  47. I think those in “panic mode” should simply leave and quit spreading and promoting fear. Most of us watch the news and are up to date. Facebook experts are simply reading something interpreting it and then spreading their opinion. I do believe if true the first to be kicked out will be those who constantly bad mouthing the government. Only an idiot would not be aware that Duterte has allys on ALL FB posts.Be careful what you say!!

  48. They thought or somebody think until now that we cannot stand w/o them…..!!! How pitty they are? For how many years, many of da mindanawon never known n my u.s. troops pla sa mindanao… Kung hindi dahil sa bagong Pres. Tatay digong d mlalaman yn dahil d nmin naramdaman…???

  49. Hi Bob

    I hope you are right. I hope this is political posturing. But, two things to consider.

    1. When the leader of any country says the rule of law and human rights do not apply as long as you have “justification”, it is extremely dangerous. Telling the military, law enforcement and local officials you can kill anyone if thay are in the “drug trade”, you open the door to extortion, robbery, and murder to settle personal greed and grudges.

    2. Any leader who thinks that he is absolutely right to the point of ignoring laws he does not like is only a step away from thinking that anyone who does not agree with them is “criminal” and deserves whatever happens to them. People like that tend to got give up power because “they know best”.

    A good exit strategy who make me sleep better at night.

    • Hi Allen. I feel that your comment us about Duterte but not about the topic of today’s article. I believe it is on topic for my next article that will publish tomorrow.

  51. Ok.maybe for the military but its would be stupid and suicidial to demand all americans to leave because America can say right “No more OFW, and all the Americans who have businesses in the PH can now leave” watch how fast things will change

  53. To be honest I think there is more conjecture than reality spoken by both sides and the media is having a field day by filling the gaps. I think a lot is lost in translation if you ask me.

  55. He is pissed off because the CIA snuck that guy out, but the reason he wants US troops out is because a beheading of one would be a diplomatic nightmare for him. The US would want more involvement which increases the chance of it happening again. The smart and easy solution is to get them out now and avoid all these complications.

  56. We all want peace in the world. There is more involved than just Mindanao. Don’t forget your last president signed an agreement with the US because the Philippines wanted a navy presence at about five bases in the Philippines. I really don’t think the Philippines wants to fight off China alone as is beginning to happen. The US only will be there to protect you as long as your government wants us. It seems that your military leaders need to talk to Duerte to find out what he really wants… and what you want. The US has had enough military die in the past protecting the Philippines people. Look at the cemetery in Manila some day.

  57. I am from jolo,sulu ive been their for 27 years.. im not against u.s. troops.. but the reason behind this conflict is that gov’t problems, their history and also some of us think that u.s. troops are invading our country.. but in reality is not.. moro are just refering to the past of what happened.. and it was taken forgrantd..sorry for saying this.. and for the record the president of the phil never said that u.s. troops will leave the country.. but to leave “only in mindanao”.. coz thats what people want to be..

  59. I would to like to say this.. our president didnt say that american troops will leave the “COUNTRY”.. For your in formation philippined is divided in 3.. Luzon, VIsayas and Mindanao.. if u will try to search for jolo, sulu in the map u can ser how small island is it.. and our president said americans troops to leave mindanao particularly in “JOLO,SULU”!!! Bcoz moro people didnt forget of what happened in bud dahu massacer.. Ur reading and giving wrong info Bob.. people around the world need to know the thruth.. sorry to say this.. dont just listened for a some single info.. ask the people it self.. I AM TAUSUG ang live in JOLO,SULU.. i dont hate americans.. but we want peace in Jolo..

  61. Jean Española ~ Exacta Mundo! No beheaded US troops and no witnesses for human rights issues. Don’t forget that the ASG has no problems with beheading people, and PDU30 has no problems with saying we will kill you.

  62. Its amazing how bias media works.. Let me lay it out to you guys, its a chess game/game of generals… Mano digong is merely moving the assets to a different location to tke control of the assets. Always remember, in war nothing is what it seems… You fight your enemy where he is not. So please do not question him his wisdome is lightyears ahead of ours.

    • Eric ~ Good point. DU30 and his family are smarter than they are given credit for. I think the confusion is a matter of a lack of communication or things lost in translation. I imagine that DU30 had good reasons for some of the things he is doing that are not being conveyed to the public. All is fair in love and war 😉

  64. I always felt welcome in The Philippines. There is no reason to worry unless you are one of those few that seek out a dangerous and potentially hostile experience. If that is your calling and you really want that experience, I won’t condemn anyone for that.

    If Americans were kicked out of The Philippines it would be an economic disaster. The US would be compelled to respond in kind. There are about 4 million Filipinos living in the US.

    Also, the economic, political, historical, and cultural links to the US are very strong. Many Americans have served, and many died protecting The Philippines. And many Filipinos have served and died serving and protecting US foreign interests. I consider Filipinos are as close to being American as you can get.

  66. Why all the personal attacks, insults, and name calling? I think it’s pretty obvious that DU30 doesn’t want US soldiers to get beheaded on Philippine soil, and probably doesn’t want witnesses if he mounts an all out offensive. The US is obligated to support the Philippines by treaty, but the Philippines is a sovereign Country. Bottom line is that DU30 is the President of the Country with I think a 91% public approval rating, so I wouldn’t expect him to care about what lame duck Obama thinks. Obama is obligated by treaty, even if DU30 is making alliances with China and Russia. His methods may seem harsh, but if it worked in Davao, it makes sense to do it nationwide. Just my opinion, I am only a guest here.

  68. Good Article Bob,

    Now could you shed some light on the statements he has made along the lines of his willingness to work with the Chinese and possibly gaining some aircraft from them, even after the Chinese have tried to steal or “reclaim” Philippine territory and are the primary culprits of the drug problem in the country?
    Thanks

  69. I received a message via email today from a person who cannot be identified here, but he has “inside” information about the whole American troops in the Philippines issue. He cannot post this under his name, but asked me to post it for him. So, here it goes:

    President Duterte only wants the SPECIAL OPERATIONS TROOPS out of Mindanao. Not all US troops.
    Yes, there are ” US special ops” in all major AFP bases in Mindanao including Marawi, Tawi Tawi, Basilan and even in Maguindanao. Contrary to popular belief, RRD is not closing the door on US-RP relationship. One must realized that FVR ( former President Ramos) was the one who urged RRD to run for president of the Philippines. FVR is a graduate of West Point, served in Korea with the famous Philippine 10th Batallion Combat Team. FVR is also well known as a great supporter of the US.. and FVR also used (maybe still is working) to work for the “corporation.”

    He is eying to buy weapons from China and Russia.. nothing official yet. We (the US) used to “hold off” on selling anything good to the RoP, but I guess we have to change that now.

    People are forgetting, RRD is PRO PINOY but that doesn’t mean he is anti anything. Some of the people with the “no such agency” thought this is good…(including myself) Filipinos should learn how to stand on their own and have pride without aping anything foreign.

    As far as the media, you know there are lots of rich CHINOYS and pure PINOYS , members of the “elite” who does not want RRD. Yes, cash is flowing just to demonize RRD. One good thing: RRD has the best “intel people”, better than any previous administrations… and guess who trained them.

    Finally, RRD is “thowing lots of things in the air”….if you catch my drift. 🙂

  70. Once more I’m shocked; the three acts of maybe, could be, or might not be terrorism have just happened in the United States this past weekend. Normally the US Embassy will warn me right away to stay far from this most dangerous Philippines when that happens. But no warning concerning any visits to America! Do you find that odd?

  71. This is not for Steve. I explained the situation with respect to the CIA treasure hunter being snuck out on one of their G5’s in this thread a long time ago. All the other posted links are also old, and not necessarily accurate, news. I think Google is overrated 😉

  73. Wow…even that this type of conversation CAN take place is unsettling to me.
    I just pray my life is not going to be ruined. I have a wife and children and home there,i’m just about to retire there…hope its not like so many things in my life where i just got on the tail end of a good think before it went to shit.
    Must have been born at that certain time in world and US history where i’m always in this spot be it jobs,social security,terrorism,politics,stocks. Sometimes i wish i was born 20 years sooner.

    • I’m sorry-after what’s happened with Duterte, I wouldn’t go anywhere near the Philippines and I’ve been there several times. Kind of reminds me of Germany in the 1930’s. Better read history.

      • Bluetooth1 ~ It’s a good thing you aren’t here. I completely understand your point, but comments like yours could be problematic for you if you were here.

        • I’ve been there many times and loved each visit. I was hoping to retire there in a few years. The issue there now has thrown myself and quite a few others for a loop-totally unexpected. Of course, I would not share those comments while a guest there. Thank you for commenting!!

  75. Bluetooth1~ I’m glad you understand. Perhaps things will calm down before you retire. If not Belize is nice 😉

    • No,i’m pretty set on my little island there,i’ve always loved islands,island girls,sun,palm trees,beaches…
      I cant afford to rearrange my retirement at this point,i’m in it for the long haul. All my brngy has known me for 8 years now,kids there come to me if they have a toothache or infected scrape,it’s home already…I just pray this tense air passes by like the ocean breeze blows in my front windows. And if it gets too …’odd’ in manila it will take years for half that ‘oddness’ to reach my little brngy. The whole world seems to be a bit odd right now really,brexit,crooked hillary,syria,russia,china&the islands…at least when i’m home in PI i dont have a phone or internet or fox news or nsa cameras watching me or media telling me what i should believe or be afraid of and why,… it’s just the sound of waves and kids giggles and roosters.

      • Greg ~ You have the right attitude. If the corrupt HRC cabal manages to cheat their way into the White House, the World will become a much more dangerous place.

  76. Another thing to consider is the possibility of president Duterte submitting legislation requiring Americans and other groups to obtain visas to prior to visiting the Philippines. I can only imagine how this has the potential to effect Americans that live and have invested in homes there. Could be quite chilling for expats. Duterte has a lot of pent up anger towards America. We will have to see how this plays out. Additionally, the Philippines is going through a strengthening period of nationalism and potential anti-Americanism that could lead to violence toward the unsuspecting expat. Just something to think about.

  77. Bluetooth ~ All true, but I think it probably won’t get to the point of affecting expats already settled here. I guess an analogy could be how well Muslims and Catholics get along in the Northern part of the Country.

    • I disagree. It will most certainly affect those expats already there. They are symbolic of the people that are being accused of plundering their country.

      • Perhaps somebody who lived here at the time can answer…… On 4 December 2009, President Arroyo officially placed the
        Province of Maguindanao under a state of martial law through Proclamation № 1959. [14] As with the last imposition, the declaration suspended the writ of habeas corpus in the province. [15] The announcement came days after hundreds of government troops were sent to the province to raid the armories of the powerful Ampatuan clan. The Ampatuans were implicated in the massacre of 58 persons , including women from the rival Mangudadatu clan , human rights lawyers, and 31 media workers. Cited as one of the bloodiest incidents of political violence in Philippine history, the massacre was condemned worldwide as the worst loss of life of media professionals in one day

  79. DU30 has the full support of the military and police if he declares Martial Law. What I don’t know is what effect Martial Law has on foreigners living here.

    • Martial law = scared = stay away. I was hoping things would improve with a Trump presidency, but now I’m not so sure. President Deterte, in my opinion wants Americans out. That means the military, businesses, and yes, expats by extension.

      • Full support? Who are you kidding pal ?
        Every work with the AFP here? I can tell you right now the support is very very low on the scale…less than 10%

  80. Does he have full support because everyone is scared they will be put on narco-list or because they agree martial law is only way to stop drug abuse?
    Is the drug network really that well armed and organized they threaten national security of the country?
    I was there a few months ago and everything seemed fine, far from anything so extreme as martial law, has it gotten that bad?
    99% of the drug dealers i have seen killed and arrested in news had 500 peso in their pocket, surely DU30 is not afraid of those petty poor punks taking control of the country, he seemed to be killing them quite easily.
    I don’t see how martial law could help that.
    Has anyone heard if there is an investigation into where these drugs are coming in from?
    Is there rich chinese businessmen importing this junk with shipments of flip-flops and plastic stuff?
    I have not seen any news about meth labs busted at all, or big millionaire drug lords, just petty punks for the most part.
    It seems the country is falling apart step by step since election, but i have limited news filtered thru left wing liberal media too.. , so hard to tell whats going on for real if you’re out of country.

  81. I was just there a few months ago, everything seemed fine.
    Now the drug network is so powerful and organized its a threat to national security??
    Every news i see the dead and arrested have 500 peso in their pockets. Just punks and addicts mostly. How did it grow to such a huge problem so fast its a threat to the govt. to control the country now?
    I’m shocked, it seems the country is falling apart if they have no choice but resort to martial law.
    I was sure DU30 had a handle on this drug problem. Seemed they were killing all the bad guys left and right with ease…now they are losing control??

  85. Hi William – These kind of rumors run rampant in the Philippines and go on for many years. I would not believe in it until you see some people showing up and some action in building the base.