I was just talking to an old friend of mine. We were buddies from years past, before I even went to the States. We had not seen each other for quite sometime. Later on our conversation she found out that I am already a dual citizen. She was really happy for me. She then asked me about a conversation that she overheard while attending a party.
She was just puzzled about a visa thing, which she just didn’t know a thing about. She was then telling me the story.
“The lady was married here in the Philippines to a guy who is a former Philippine citizen and now an American citizen and lives in the States. The marriage was arranged just for the lady to get to the USA. They didn’t live together in the States. Almost a year after that the lady was in the US, the guy came to the Philippines to visit his family. On that same time he met a lady that he was corresponding with on the net. He said that he really loves the lady and wanting to marry that lady that he just correspond with. He got the lady pregnant during that visit too. The guy wants to file annulment from the lady he married first. As a lot of us know that it would take awhile or forever for the annulment to be final here in the Philippines. He really wants out from the sham marriage, but the problem is the wife she’s not yet on her 2 years stay in the States. The wife wants to visit the Philippines too even she’s not yet in the States for 2 years. She already had her “Green Card”. Can she travel here to the Philippines? I guess she’s worried to travel here to the Philippines that she might not be allowed to re-enter the US again.”
Just a thought and questions to the people that know here. We might have readers here with similar problems. My questions now:
- Would the wife and husband be in trouble for the arrange marriage agreement?
- Is there quicker way out for them to get annulled?
- Can the wife travel here to the Philippines even she’s not yet in the States for 2 years?
- If they file for annulment should both of them be here in the Philippines for that?
Some couples will get married here in the Philippines, then, on filing the visa they will file “Fiancee Visa”. Like a friend I know wants to did like that. I told the lady that if you get married here you should not file the fiancee visa then. So they decided to just get married in the States then.
Sorry guys for asking for advice. I was just thinking about this fake marriages, it’s more rampant than I thought. I am just naive about this? I know with Bob and I before we have to go to Seattle for my interview for the 2 years stay. They asked our bank accounts and credit cards and if we had the same address. They video tape the interview and I’m pretty sure they studied that tape if both of us were faking on our answers. Maybe the immigration would give more leeway nowadays than with us before.
Can you imagine trying to stay marriage for 2 years. Can those personnel not see the reaction of both husband and wife? Like this people that I was talking about they didn’t live together and I’m sure they had some sign of discomfort with each other while talking. They have to be good in acting in-front of the immigration personnel.
Any advice regarding this matter really is welcome here. If anyone experience or knew someone that did have similar experiences feel free to share it here. I just don’t have the knowledge what to tell anyone that would ask me. I would really appreciate any words from you all.
Have fun getting your proper visa!
Both should be deported and they can all live together in the Philippines. This is exactly why the process is so difficult and seemingly endless for the legitimate couples.
Hi Steve A – That’s whats on my mind too. We did work our butts off to get our visa legally. It wasn’t easy I tell you. Nowadays they will just wait for their visa to arrive at their doorstep. For us before we have to wait in line for hours just to get it. Bummer… Sigh…
Anyway, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Have a good day!
Both of them should be deported for fake marriage!!!!
I agree with you MJ Pahilmagan Rycraft.
Take care!
I think loverboy needs to get the sham wife pregnant, to legitimize their marriage.
Hmm good thinking there Jamie. 🙂
Bob this is off the subject but can you get fresh cold milk where you live?
Something I would hate to give up when we move there
It’s a shame that people would do such a thing, he will be red flaged with his new girl. And it will take time. As far as the woman goes, she can travel now as long as she has her green card and advance parole. The biggest thing the man needs to know is he is 100% on the hook for the current wife for 10 years. So if anything happens to her, he is responsible for all debts, medical, welfare and ect, he signed a document when he did proof of income, most people do not realize this. People who do sham marriages should be banned for life from ever entering the US, the US citizen should be placed in jail for fraud.
Hi Dirk – I really appreciate your comments. Hopefully she’s reading our post here.
Thank you so much for the information you’ve shared here.
Always good to see you here!
Hi Feyma
When you sign the affidavit of support you are responsible for the person even after the divorce. If she or he needs assistance from the government like medical or welfare the government can come after you for the cost. This only stops if the person becomes a U.S. citizen or gets remarried.
Peter, if you live in Manolo Fortich or Camp Phillips you can. I have ours delivered but we quit since we can only get the full cream fresh milk and we want 2 percent. I do have another alternative for it now so it’s all good.
You need to check what is in the 2% milk–A lot more sugar is added to it. Farm fresh milk has no sugar and will do your body no damage while almost any store milk has the nutritional non toxic fats removed and replaced with sugar. The less milk the more sugar. 2% and 1 % milk is one of the biggest health scams ever pot over on the human race. The full cream fresh milk (if no sugar is added) will not raise your cholesterol or sugar levels, The sugar water 1% or 2% will.
I agree with Steve , It is very tough to bring a legitimate wife to the US for exactly that reason, the immigration laws were designed to prevent this kind of illegal immigration but it makes it harder for people in legitimate marriages to live together in the USA
Hey Joe – So true. Seen people having a hard time bringing wife to the States, some even takes like 2 years long. Just shocking to see so many illegal entry to the States still.
Hopefully the illegal/sham marriages will be caught right away. It really is annoying to hear that they can get in easily.
Good to see you here. Have a good weekend ahead!
Yes, sure can, Peter Cooke
There is no need or reason for an annulment. The man is a US citizen. He should just file for divorce, and it will be done. The divorce will be recognized for her too, because it was petitioned by the US citizen spouse.
Hi Hon – Thank you for the advice. Something for these people to do right away.
Take care!
Q – Would the wife and husband be in trouble for the arrange marriage agreement?
A – Yes, they would be in trouble. The wife could be deported, the husband could be charged with visa fraud and lying on an official government document.
Q – Is there quicker way out for them to get annulled?
A – Any annulment would have to take place in the PH, otherwise they would both have to admit to visa fraud in the USA.
Q – Can the wife travel here to the Philippines even she’s not yet in the States for 2 years?
A – I agree with Kirk, however if the visa fraud becomes known while she is out of the country, she may not be able to return.
Q – If they file for annulment should both of them be here in the Philippines for that?
A – I have no knowledge of how the Philippine annulment process works.
I would not be at all surprised if, even with an annulment, this man would be able to get the second woman to the USA. The embassy staff would dig deep into his life when he reported the annulment of the first marriage.
BTW – I have to agree with all previous posters, his conduct was criminal, and it is actions like this that make it so difficult, expensive, and time consuming for those of us that followed the rules.
Q – Would the wife and husband be in trouble for the arrange marriage agreement?
A – Yes, they would be in trouble. The wife could be deported, the husband could be charged with visa fraud and lying on an official government document.
Q – Is there quicker way out for them to get annulled?
A – Any annulment would have to take place in the PH, otherwise they would both have to admit to visa fraud in the USA.
Q – Can the wife travel here to the Philippines even she’s not yet in the States for 2 years?
A – I agree with Kirk, however if the visa fraud becomes known while she is out of the country, she may not be able to return.
Q – If they file for annulment should both of them be here in the Philippines for that?
A – I have no knowledge of how the Philippine annulment process works.
I would not be at all surprised if, even with an annulment, this man would be able to get the second woman to the USA. The embassy staff would dig deep into his life when he reported the annulment of the first marriage.
BTW – I have to agree with all previous posters, his conduct was criminal, and it is actions like this that make it so difficult, expensive, and time consuming for those of us that followed the rules.
Oops – should have written “would NOT be able to get”
Mike, I agree with you on all counts, except one. Annulment. it isn’t necessary, as Bob says. While the Philippines DOES NOT grant a divorce, they recognize the divorce for the countries that they also recognize the marriage in. A divorce would be fast, since there are no children(I HOPE).
BOTH of the parties ARE LEGALLY responsible for lying on a Federal document, and COULD face prison time. She would probably get deported, and he would probably NEVER be allowed to bring another woman into the U.S. Could they keep that part quiet, and just amicably divorce? yes. But I also agree that it is these types of people that make it difficult for people like me to bring my legal wife here to the U.S. and have her become a citizen. And, I wish them nothing but bad problems, as they have already started such with his cheating and their lying.
I have no good feelings towards them!
“But I also agree that it is these types of people that make it difficult for people like me to bring my legal wife here to the U.S. and have her become a citizen.”
People who have been complaining about how slow the U.S. government moves in processing immigration and citizenship papers, this is the answer to your own questions.
Hi John Reyes – That’s for sure. Problem is these kind of people really knows how to play the system though. Gosh, it’s really so annoying.
Glad to see you hear and thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Have a pleasant day!
Thank you so much Mike for answering my questions. I really appreciate very much.
***BTW – I have to agree with all previous posters, his conduct was criminal, and it is actions like this that make it so difficult, expensive, and time consuming for those of us that followed the rules.***… Totally.
Really good to see you here and thank you so much for sharing your thoughts.
Have a wonderful day!
Feyma;
The liberals in the States have changed the concept of marriage as it once was, so under that logic, he should stay married to the sham, marry and move the pregnant internet lady into the same house and declare themselves a separate marital group, instantly apply for special laws to cover their situation and ask for support from the government to aid them in their transition in their new marriage. Of course none of that will work in the Philippines because of normal family values that thankfully exist here.
Hi Paul – Honestly it might happen Paul. They know how to do it and played the system already. It will be easy for him to do what you just said. Hmm he might already had food stamp and free health care and later free school too for his kid. Wow, they might even had free house already.
I’m with you and thank God that ***”none of that will work in the Philippines because of normal family values that thankfully exist here”***… Really thank goodness for it.
Have a good weekend Paul. Take care!
Seems like it’s not really so complicated:
1. The husband should confess to his crime and serve the relevant prison sentence;
2. The wife will be deported back to whence she came;
3. The new girl will get bored waiting for the husband to come out of jail and find another boyfriend and live happily ever after.
Justice will be done and everyone’s a winner…except the criminals, of course.
Hi Jim Hannah – I wish to God for that to happen. 🙂 …But he ain’t going to do that. He will play his card until the end, I’m sure. He is used to scamming the system already.
Thank you for your comment. Have a great day!
What benefit would have it been for this guy to do the sham marriage in the first place? It makes little sense, unless he was paid reasonable money or something like that.
That could have been a likelihood. I was offered an amazing amount if I would marry a Chinese girl. I did not need the complications in my life and turned it down.
The amount was enough that I would have thought your could have had a lawyer buy a couple US congressmen and senators and get it through rapidly.
Having said that, this guy only makes life more complicated for others by doing this.
Le Roy – I know many want out of the Philippines because of financial opportunities abroad. That makes sense to me. But I figure if they have the cash to pay such a high price then they don’t really need to leave on financial grounds. Maybe they just want to live else where bad enough.
Hi LeRoy Miller – You’re smart man LeRoy.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Good to see you here. Have a wonderful day!
Hi Brenton – Just plain stupidity.
Take care!
Bad things always had consequences, and it always returned back to u in a most inflicting manner. Fraud marriage is evil or such a stupid idea to earn money, but since the actions were made already , u just have to come up with best resolution.
Would the wife and husband be in trouble for the arrange marriage agreement?
Its not the fault of Immigration officer why they had never recognized that its a fraud marriage as both are actors and actress that time and minds were set for their own benefit. They were just fortunate that the immigration had just kept eyes out of it.
Is there quicker way out for them to get annulled?
No need for annulment in the Philippines, since they both live in the United STates they can always file for a divorce and the man can just file the decree of the finality of nullity of marriage to Philippine court.
Can the wife travel here to the Philippines even she’s not yet in the States for 2 years?
The woman can always travel to the Philippines, if she wanted to go back to the States, she should apply a re-entry permit to the US. Because she had passed the limit time of less than a year visit outside USA .
If they file for annulment should both of them be here in the Philippines for that?
Not needed to file an annulment in the Philippines, the man can always file the divorce in the USA and file the finalization of divorce decree to the Philippine Court. see Phil Family Code for american citizen marriage.
Hope this help u. Think and pray for God’s guidance and forgiveness for wrong deeds.
Hi joeciline – thank you so much for answering of the questions posted. I really appreciate your input.
***Bad things always had consequences, and it always returned back to u in a most inflicting manner. *** …I totally agree with you.
Thank you so much for stopping by here and also thank you for the advice.
Take care!
1) My wife returned to the Philippines shortly after getting her green card. And had no trouble getting back after our 4 week vacation.
Hi Luke Tynan – Thank you for the info…
Have a good weekend!
2) Better stay married- false marriage in order to gain entry is a crime- she can be deported and he can go to jail. Once she is deported she could be barred from reentry for life..
3) this is a very dangerous game
Hi Luke Tynan – ***3) this is a very dangerous game***. That’s for sure!
Feyma,
First i want to say after all the crap you have to go threw to get your fiancee over to the states and the reason why it takes forever to get done is because people like this guy fraudulent marriage! I have no good feelings for this guy or her at all for what they did.
If they were married in the states they can just get a divorce and be done with it, if in the RP then the annulment thing. How i know this is very similar to what i went threw except my marriage was on the up and up!
I did the visa thing with my first filipino wife and it took a long time, long story short after only a 1 1/2 i came home one day and she was gone, so after two months trying to find her and finding out where she went i tried to get her deported and i filed for the divorce.
Let me say that the USICS doesn’t care about the 2 year thing and did nothing as a matter of fact she’s still in the states the last i heard, but i still have to be responsible for her until 1 of 3 things happen…. she leaves the states, becomes a citizen or dies. this responsibility is for 10 or 20 years i forget at the moment.
Back to were I was… so I started back up a relationship i had with a filipino woman i knew back before my first filipino wife, she was more a friend someone with advice which is my wife now. Needless to say i had to do this all over again with the visa was worried about if the first wife would make it harder? So far so good My wife and new step daughter have been here for 11 months now but still waiting on the big interview to be approved. after that we will be good for another 5 years and in 10 years she can become a citizen. but i think we will be in the RP by then.
Hi Todd Gill – ***First i want to say after all the crap you have to go threw to get your fiancee over to the states and the reason why it takes forever to get done is because people like this guy fraudulent marriage! I have no good feelings for this guy or her at all for what they did.***. I’m totally with you on that.
Sorry to hear of your first marriage. I really appreciate you sharing it here. But, I’m glad you found the right one for you now and stayed with you. Good luck to you guys for the future.
Thank you for stopping by and giving good advice here. Have a great day!
I say if you shit in your bed then sleep in it.
Hi John Heitz – Yep
the I.N.S. has a double standard. illegal latinos are allowed to stay, but illegal filipinos are subject to deportation.
Hi Ron Perry – Really? I thought if caught no matter what race you are you get deported.
@Ron,
Not sure that is entirely correct. ICE simply doesn’t have the manpower to deport everyone, regardless of nationality. I know of plenty of Filipinos in my area of the country who have overstayed their visas and have been “out of status” for years and continue to live here.
Hi Brent Johnson – ***I know of plenty of Filipinos in my area of the country who have overstayed their visas and have been “out of status” for years and continue to live here.*** They call that “TNT” (Tago Nang Tago – Hiding). Heard a lot of Pinoy still hiding there, but not so much deported. Are they just good at hiding?
Thank you for the comment. Have a wonderful day!
Hi Feyma:
They are hiding in “pain sight,” just no officials to check their paperwork. I suppose they can stay TNT forever if they can find a way to support themselves remaining off the grid.
Hi Brent – They need to do something to be legal. It will be going be a hard life for them stay TNT.
What a life would that be….
Take care!
Brent you got that right! my ex is still here in the states as far as i know i tried to get her deported but never heard anything from anyone just hoping she doesn’t apply for government help because I’m going to have to pay it back.
I know someone who came here as a nanny to a well-off family. Once the nanny’s visa expired, the couple did not renew her work permit and they did not even follow throw what they promised to immigration. They were supposed to give her 2k/monthly salary but only give her $400/month. Anyways, the nanny escaped from the couple and was working under the table. She was hiding for 13 years. When her mother died she couldn’t even leave the country. Until recently she managed to get married and have kids. The last time I heard, it took 5 years for her to be legally in the US. I do not know what she did or how her husband were able to make her stay legally knowing when she has no documents to show to begin with. After 5 years of battling her case, she was approved and was able to finally visited her family back in BOHOL.
Hi Aurora – Really? What a shame. The family shouldn’t have hire that lady in the first place if they can’t afford to have one. I’m glad that she already had a good life now. I couldn’t imagined the pain that she’s been through before, I’m sure she was scared of hiding being TNT there.
Thank you so much for sharing someone’s story. Keep reading here.
Have a great day!
My advice is don’t lie to either the American or Canadian Governments, do it properly or don’t do it at all. There is tremendous pressure now by the US and Canadian public to find and deport illegals, and the Governments are responding.
If by chance you do get in illegally you will always be hiding and have to be guarded, not a good state to be in. To give a rough quote from William Shakespeare, “it is a tangled web we weave when at first we attempt to deceive!”
Hi Peter Toronto – Really good advice there. Nice quote too to think about. Thank you for the comment.
Have a great day!