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The month of living dangerously

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Back in 1982 Mel Gibson starred in a movie called “The Year of Living Dangerously.”  As I recall, I saw the movie once sometime in the 90’s, although I believe I came in on the movie a bit late.  Basically, the plot of the movie was set around a group of expats who were in Indonesia.  Maybe you would not call these people expats, but they were foreigners who were living in, or stationed in Indonesia for their work.  The “dangerously” part comes in because these foreigners get involved in reporting the seedy side of Indonesian politics, and thus the heat is on for them.

Well, perhaps the month of September 2010 can be called The Month of Living Dangerously for foreigners in the Philippines.  Actually, the danger part dates back a few months, but in September things have begun to really heat up.

You see, foreigners in the Philippines are being killed regularly lately, it seems.  For about 3 months or so, I have been hearing stories of foreigners being killed, but it was kind of spread over time, and it didn’t really interest me that much.  I mean, if a foreigner is killed, and then a few weeks later another is killed, the time factor does not really point toward this being a real danger.  People get killed all over the world, after all.  But, last week, I received an e-mail with some information which lead me to some research.

Last Tuesday, I got an e-mail from a friend in Iligan.  He sent this e-mail to a whole list of people, and included me.  His e-mail said:

Steve was gunned down yesterday, more details to follow.

Well, my first thought when I got this e-mail was, “who the heck is Steve, and why is my friend sending this to me.”  Over the course of the morning, people who received the e-mail started responding to it, and including me in their e-mails.  As a few e-mails changed hands, a picture started developing and I got curious about it.

The event that my friend was talking about was an American tourist who was murdered in Iligan City last week.  On September 20, Steve Kindy was shot multiple times while he was riding in a public vehicle (I believe he was in a Jeepney).  Two people, including Steve, were killed, and another was wounded in the shooting.  Even though there was more than one death, it is said that Steve was the target.  I have also been told that Steve was carrying about US$5,000 in his pocket, but the money was untouched, so this was not a robbery.

There are lots of theories going around as to why Steve Kindy was killed, but so far, they are only rumors as far as I know.  I am not going to get into the “why” because it is not known yet.  I do not feel it would be fair to get into the reasons when it is really only speculation at this point.  But, it is a fact that he was murdered.

When I started figuring out what this message was about, I decided to do a search of the Internet to find out what more I could learn about the circumstances surrounding the incident.  It was then that I started seeing a pattern of trouble.  Just during the month of September, at least 5 foreigners were killed here in the Philippines.  It seems that there were 4 who were shot to death, and one who was stabbed.

On September 21, just a day after Steve Kindy’s death, a British man, Bruce Jones was gunned down in Angeles City.  Jones was a British sea captain who lived in Olongopo City, but while driving through Angeles he was shot by a motorcycle riding gunman.  Jones’ wife was also injured in the attack.  Jones had been getting death threats for at least a year, and had asked the Philippine National Police to assign some kind of protection for him, but they refused to do so, according to reports.  Jones had been involved in a bit of controversy of late, as it is reported that he smuggled guns from Indonesia into the Philippines, reportedly for terrorists in Mindanao.  Jones was out on bail and strongly denied the charges.

Another American, James Basham was also gunned down on September 20, the same day that Steve Kindy was killed.  Basham was a resident of Angeles City.  He had gone to buy vegetables at the market, and after shopping, as he got on his motorcycle he was gunned down, again by motorcycle riding gunmen.  Basham was reportedly shot in the back, and died quickly.

John Macdonald, a Scot, and an officer in the Merchant Navy was stabbed after just two days in the Philippines.  It is reported that Macdonald was here to visit his Filipina Girlfriend, Nancy Romero, and was staying at her house in Angona (near Manila).  John planned to propose marriage to Nancy during his visit.  When John met Nancy, she also introduced him to her “brother,” who was actually her live-in Filipino Fiancee.  John took Nancy and her “brother” out for dinner, and later when he made romantic advances to Nancy, her “brother” reportedly became enraged and allegedly stabbed Macdonald to death.

Another foreigner victim who was murdered in September is Anthony Nicholas.  Nicholas was another Brit.  One difference here is that Nicholas was a long term resident of the Philippines, having lived in Sipalay City, Negros Occidental for more than 30 years already.  Nicholas owned a resort there in Sipalay.  Nicholas was shot multiple times by armed men as he rode in his motorized tricycle.

Previous to September, there was a rash of killings in Angeles City in July 2010, including the killings of three foreigners there.  Mark Dizon was arrested in this case, and is alleged to be the killer.

So, is it getting more dangerous for foreigners in the Philippines?  It would appear so.  However, I personally do not feel danger living here.  I talked with an expat friend last week who lives not so far from the area where many of these killings have occurred, and he told me that he is feeling uneasy about going out in public these days, though.  What a shame.  Over the past years, the Philippines has gained a reputation where journalists are regularly killed.  Is it now becoming a place where foreigners can expect to be stabbed or gunned down?  I hope not, but this seems to be a pattern that we should keep an eye on.

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  1. Hello Bob,
    The news always seems to focus on these type of stories. Foreigners will always stand outliving here. We just have to live a sample life and not draw to much attention to ourselves.Also crime is a serious issue anywhere you live just check into the number of foreigners murdered in the US.Stay safe and enjoy each day you have with your loved ones,we ever know our days in this world.

      • Hi Bob
        Not sure if you remember me.

        In the last 21 Years I have lived in the Philippines 12+ Yrs.
        I live in and with the people here.
        Ended up setting in Mindanao.
        I mix with the Pinoys mostly. (Most of my friends are Pinoy)
        I felt safer in Davao and eastern Mindanao than just about anywhere.
        But for the 1st time reading about 5 killings in 1 month, and a Very good Pinoy friend of mine murdered last yr. I’m thinking a little about safety.
        I wonder how many foreigners are living in Philippines.?
        In the far places like Angles & in that area, I don’t pay much attention.
        It is so far and the lifestyle very different than here in Mindanao.
        And I hear a lot of complaints about bad attitude Foreigners living there to.
        (Mostly from other Foreigners)
        being single I have had many girls come on to me that had live in partners.
        (I get away from that as soon as i figure it out.)
        Also had some GF that were Muslims to.
        And you have to watch out for the family in that case.
        Those are 2 areas that anybody can innocently get in trouble with.
        So I wonder if those guys just arriving here are victim to that.

        • Hi Douglass – Sure I remember meeting you on several occasions! It’s been a long time, though. I, like you, feel that the biggest source of trouble is when girls are part of the equation… it can lead to serious safety issues.

  3. Hi Bob;
    That will get a body to thinking, but there has to be more to the story than that, some piece of information that we just don’t have about these cases I feel bad for the families of these unfortunate foreigners and my heart goes out to them. No one deserves something like that happening to them. Yet,I still feel safe here as I try not to put myself into a situation where harm could befall me. I will continue to take care, maybe with my eyes open a little wider.

    • Hi Paul – I agree that there is probably more to the story than what we know in most of these cases. A lot of guys get themselves in this kind of trouble by their own actions, but we have to see in these cases.

  4. Hi, Bob:

    Based on available information, none of the murders appear motivated by robbery. Sounds to me like the Kindy and Macdonald murders were motivated by jealousy. Bruce Jones’s was probably a hit by the Ilaga. Nicholas’s could be a business dispute, while Basham’s could be for any reason, including having insulted a Filipino.

    Guys, just be careful. While not concluding that these murders were committed by Filipinos, it is important to keep in mind that a lot of Filipinos out there are hot-headed and don’t like being slighted or to lose face. If that should happen (lose face), be sure to give him a safety-valve through which to “escape” with his honor and dignity intact.

  5. Not sure all the men killed were nice guys but… I have walked the streets at night here in Tagum City and never felt unsafe. I always have Meriam with me and don’t go out alone even in the daytime. I feel secure with her arm around me, that doesn’t mean I am safe all the time. I didn’t come here to hide inside a sub-division with a gate and armed guard. I wasn’t 100% safe in Michigan so why should I be here in Minanao? I do my best to be nice to everyone here. Lots of folks stop and wish to practice their English on me. For me I enjoy life here!

    Cheers,
    Gary

    • I’m like you, Gary, I enjoy life here, and feel very safe here. Even though Davao is a big city, I feel at home here, and comfortable. I have walked the streets at all hours of the day without the slightest twinge of fear. I’m glad that you are enjoying life in Tagum!

    • Gary
      Do you think you are missing some of the whole Phil experience by not venturing out on your own without the Mrs by your side.

    • Hi Gary and Bob,
      I also live in Tagum and feel very safe here. I do venture out a lot on my own. At first I had a companion, but I feel this was more to keep the Filipina’s at bay, then for safety. I believe that 5 murders in 1 month are small for a country the size of the Philippines, and normally there much less or none. Much safer here than the city I used to live in back in Georgia.

      • Hi Richard – Remember… that’s not 5 murders in one month… rather 5 murders of foreigners in one month. Surely, there were a lot more than 5 murders in the Philippines in the past month. I do echo your sentiments, though.

  6. Bob
    This is not good and I am hoping my Wife does NOT read this article.
    I would like to think that there is some other details left out as to the reason behind the killings.
    I could understand it if they were all focused around a seedy city like Angeles city where it is known to be a sex trade area with the ho’s setting up the rich tourist only to be robbed and perhaps shot, that type of stuff goes along with that type of area. But it seems to be reaching into the other parts of the Phil.

    “Shout out”to my old Gunnery Sgt Young from 4thBn10thMarines 2ndMarDiv
    His words of wisdom “STAY ALERT STAY ALIVE”

    • Hi Neal – Well, the fact is that most of these murders did happen around Angeles, but they don’t seem to have anything to do with the sex trade. I would not let something like this scare me away… things still feel safe. This is something to keep an eye on, though.

      • Bob
        Im probably a bit ignorant on the Geography there.
        I do read that guy harry the horse’s site and it seems like there is always crime around Angeles.

        • Hi Neal – I’ve read Harry’s site myself a few times, but not regularly. I suppose that there is crime everywhere, even in the smallest towns. Lately, I have been hearing of a lot up around Angeles, though. I’m not sure how bad it is up there, but it doesn’t sound good.

  7. Well i read your article needless to say its true ,we are sticking out like a sore thumb here.Its also the same in the U.S. for others that come there hate crimes etc.Since ive been here ive talked to alot of visitors from other countries.Most of them seem like a differant breed than im accustomed to knowing.Many seem to think they are special in some way,Gods gift to women,rich,smarter than you etc.Most want to impress the native people here ,well in my own opinion .There are many well educated people here in the philippines and dont want to hear alot of bull from foreignors.Not all but some seem to get in trouble overstepping their grounds.Keeping a low profile,avoiding places you shouldnt be at seems to be a good way to stay out of trouble. Keep safe everyone.

    • Good morning, Maynard. Nice to hear from you. I got a little chuckle when I read your comment, because I have written before about the syndrome of a foreigner thinking they are special when they move here…. better than others, etc. I think it is a phase that most of us go through. You are right, many of the local people don’t care or need to hear that, and it could get a person in trouble!

      • Bob;
        Sitting at a beach bar in St. Pete Florida, a group of foreigners were bad mouthing the states, (funny since they paid to be there) I can remember how my friends and I reacted. Why would a Filipino act any different if you insult their Country? It goes back to “YOUR a GUEST” rule.

        • Hi Paul,
          When I first moved to Florida in the early ’70’s there was a fairly popular bumper sticker here which read; “WE DON’T CARE HOW YOU DID IT UP NORTH”
          HA! HA! … well said!
          Jade

  10. I cannot blame foreigner’s who felt uneasy walking down the streets. It is understandable why they felt like that. When my husband is alone in Manila and going places in Visayas I felt uneasy because we do not know the people around. But he loved living in the Philippines though.

    We just have to be more careful when strolling or walking alone the places we do not know.

    • Hi Jenny – How are you doing? I hope all is well! I understand your concern, but generally, I think that it’s quite safe around the Philippines. Yeah, there are a few isolated areas where a person must exercise caution, but overall, I feel the Philippines is quite safe.

  11. Here is a compilation of several:
    http://pinoynews.wordpress.com/

    In reading a few news articles, it seems that: Steve Kindy and his wife – according to a co-worker of his wife – were splitting up. http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2010/09/saginaw_man_living_in_philippi.html

    That Anthony Nicholas was having a dispute over his beach resort and followed a regular routine of bringing home each day’s business revenue at a specific time:
    “Mr Nicholas said his father was part-owner of ‘Hijoe Beach and that he was known locally as ‘Hi Joe!’. There had been a dispute over the beach but there was no evidence to connect the beach to the shooting. ‘He had a routine. Everyday he would go down to the beach resort and return in the evening picking up my mother and her assistant and the day’s takings from the shop.”

    Obviously, the “why”, as you say, Bob, is speculative in these, and other, cases. The old fellow who used to own the Davao Golf Club & course, Dacudao(probably spelt incorrectly), Once said to me, “Mike, if you think that ‘hell hath no fury like a woman scorned’ is true, it is not. It should be ‘hell hath no fury like a Filipino or Filipina scorned!”

    Everytime I am in the position of having to fire a person who has been working for us and/or remove them from one of our properties, or to deny them a “loan” – family member or otherwise – these words re-surface in my mind. Still, what can one do? When one has given the person multiple “chances”, eventually, the decision must be made.

    Who would choose to live in a place where one’s life is at risk, simply because they are a visible minority, or, are these cases as individual as the people involved?

    Great article, Bob, much food for thought!

    • Hi Mike – I was unaware of the divorce that was pending for STeve Kindy. However, I don’t really understand it’s relevance. He was divorcing his American wife in the USA, but was murdered in the Philippines. I can’t see any link there. Maybe I am missing something.

      I also read reports that Nicholas’ murder was unrelated to any dispute with the beach property. You never really know, though.

      I agree with you, if you are in a position where you are firing people from work, or dealing with them in a way that you must deny a request for a loan and such, you are putting yourself in some degree of danger. Always leave room for them to save face.

      Thanks for your comment, Mike.

      • You see, Bob, speculation! LOL I didn’t put together the info. that would lead one to realize that the divorce was with an American spouse, though I was impressed with “the co-worker’s” command of the english language & phraseology(duh!). I’d be interested in you and others suggesting ways to allow someone to save face when one must deny work, money, etc., as I know how to be discreet, but have not come up with ways to enable others to save face. Whether in comments, here, or as another article, I think it would be of great value. I’d, also, think that John Miele would have much to offer on this topic, as well as, some of the Filipino/a members.

        • Hi Mike – The way that I would suggest in handling the denial of a loan and such things would be to follow the way Filipinos do things. Never say NO. Say, “I’ll have to think about it, I will let you know when I decide” and such. Don’t ever decide, don’t ever get back to them. Let them be forced to re-approach you instead (they probably never will). If they do come back and ask, say that you have still not decided. Or say, I am busy right now, I will need more time to decide.

          • Hi, Bob:

            Stringing him along might not be a good idea as this strategy could backfire. By saying, “I’ll think about it”, or, “I have not yet decided” you are in effect giving him false hope, which could result in ill-feelings towards you when he finds out in the end that you were not sincere.

            He might have urgent reasons for borrowing money, such as paying for his kids tuition. Since, in his mind, there is a possibility that you would give him the loan because of your statement, he may stop trying to borrow from others It’s better to be forthright about it, and if done diplomatically, he will even appreciate your truthfulness, instead of stringing him along, waiting and expecting for naught. Now, THAT will drive him nuts for sure.

              • Bob, I had a similar situation at our home a few weeks ago when a local jeepney dispatcher came by to ask me for a loan. My asawa talked to him, said I was asleep, and I received the same advice from a Filipino if he comes back as you did: Never say NO.

              • Hi Dave – I think that advice I gave, and what you heard is very reasonable. For sure, I know that many Filipinos do this. John Reyes’ opinion is just different. I am not certain how much experience he has of actually living in the Philippines.

          • Have to agree with you on the loan reply Bob, when in Rome…do as the Romans, the word ‘No’ I think does not exist in the RP !

              • Bob-

                My years in the Philippines and other parts of Asia have given me many lessons about “Face”. I avoid the No word usually, but if i do so no, I will
                do it in a way that turns the face. ” I am sorry, but I have been such a
                bad manager this month that I have lost too much money.” I told one that I had lost so much money gambling that had none to loan. He understood that perfectly well! LOL

                Avoiding “No” but also avoiding false hopes…likely a good idea.
                Living simply and maintaining a reputation as a frugal man on a pension might help…

  12. 5 americans murdered in one month. sounds like a lot but I wonder how it would compare to the number of americans murdered in other countries in the same time period and where you would find those stats. I just found a list of countries ranked by the number of murders percapita. The Us was #24, Canada was #44 and the Phillipines didn’t even make the list of 62 countries.

  13. HI BOB

    There as been 3 expats killed there in the last 3 weeks i think but as i always say u can die no matter where u live mate u dont have to be living over seas to have that happen to u it can happen just walking over a street and geting hit by car mate and it is happening more and been killed in the phill but a good posting just he ssame keep up the good work mate

    from peter martin tassie…….

    • There was also an expat that recently died here in Cagayan de Oro though there are different stories regarding the circumstances of his death . At least one version however claims it was by a local and not by natural causes .

  15. Hi Bob,

    I read these murders or homicides in local online news. The fact they are foreigners merit more lines than local murders or homicides. First, regardless of circumstances my sympathy goes to the families of these men. (Funny, it’s only the men huh? Where’s the equal opportunity here?)

    Angeles has never been known for angels. It has always had a seedy part, reputation from generations ago. The reputation persists, based on a Canadian documentary I’ve seen. It seems there are still a lot of foreign men wanting to live there, la dolce vita? Bruce Jones was involved in gun smuggling, possibly for some well connected people. We don’t know the full story. That’s living dangerously to the max.

    John McDonald was unfortunate to meet someone (most likely online) who was trying to get the best of 2 worlds. There are many Filipinas online who play that game, (and know of other ladies in another part of the world I’ve been to). Internet dating has its protocols, even in one’s own country, e.g. Craiglist murderer. No substitute for conducting proper due diligence esp when meeting someone halfway round the world. I really feel bad for him.

    And then there’s greed and envy. Yes, some dudes will actually kill for peanuts just because they think you’re upstaging them in business or doing a hell of a lot better than them. Unfortunately, those kind of people do exist in the Philippines. I’ve met a few and give them a wide berth or not go back to the same place. Even if I was born there and speak Tagalog, whenever I visit, people always tend to warn me. One distant relative told me, I was kidnap material. ha ha ha

    The places one hangs out and the people you know in the country can spell danger esp for an outsider. That was a good movie by the way. It was shot in the Philippines. I wasn’t really sure what those foreigners were doing in Indonesia.

    Alex

    • Hi Alex – I think part of the reason you don’t see women in the list is because there are fewer foreign women here than men. Also, a woman (Filipina) did die beside Steve Kindy, though.

      • Hi Bob,

        About the women, that was just a silly comment. Wherever I’ve been to in the world it’s usually a foreign man and a local. I guess it’s the “guy” thing to be the adventurer traipsing around the world. I’m sorry to hear about Mrs. Kindly. We’ll never know if and when we get the real story.

        Alex

  16. Thanks for the article Bob. Smiling, being friendly, staying low profile, and it does not hurt to buy a few bottles of Red Horse for the guys in the nearby Talisays from time to time. Hey, it is great when they tell you they will always keep an eye out for you and your family. I just hope that “eye” lasts longer than the beer does!! HUMM!!

  17. Mike:

    On saving face (hiya), here is my small contribution to this very important Filipino cultural value:

    A most effective method that I know of to help a Filipino save face is to never dress him down in front of others to begin with however grave the transgression may be, but isn’t this common knowledge not necessarily exclusive to the Filipino?

    If he is a household employ and you must point out his shortcomings, take him aside in private and explain how you want things done – with a smile. Over a bottle or 2 of SMB would be nice also. However, if he is a hopeless case and there is no alternative but to let him go whether due to laziness, incompetence, theft, or whatever, it is not necessary to tell him on his face that he is a thief or he is lazy. Explain that times are bad and you need to cut down on the help. I would give him a nice going away party, for example, or a small separation pay, but never, never tell him that he stole from you.

    Denying a loan, if done diplomatically, would not drive a Filipino to commit murder, but calling him a thief might. Also, never get into any argument with a drunk Filipino.

    A Filipino is very sensitive to slights, real or imagined. He reads into your body language and will react negatively to a raised voice, glaring, or made to feel unimportant in any social setting. On the other hand, the Filipino is receptive and will respond favorably to simple gestures like physical touching on the shoulder or arms while speaking to him. Show a genuine concern for his family by asking how they are as a form of greeting. I am not so sure about direct eye contact as some Filipinos regard direct eye contact as some kind of a challenge to a physical fight or a gesture of arrogance and disdain. Same with tipping your chair back while speaking to him. Looking downward, however, imparts humility, on your part, that is.

    If there is one thing, though, that would drive a Filipino berserk enough to kill a foreigner, or another Filipino for that matter, is to steal his wife or girlfriend away from him.

    • Thanks, John, Great advice!
      Not to stir the pot, but my wife’s opinion was much like your own, better to say “no” than to string someone along. I suppose it depends on the circumstances.

      • You’re welcome, Mike. Yes, it all depends on the circumstances, but in most cases, I believe that the average Filipino will appreciate you more if you are forthright and sincere about denying the loan than for him to be held in suspense indefinitely only to find out in the end that no loan is forthcoming. There is a Filipino word for this forthrightness, it’s called, “prangkahan” – your wife knows what this means. I mean, it’s just cruel to give someone false hope, and I guarantee you, you will be resented for stringing him along, then dash his hopes in the end.

  20. It is unfortunate that these seemingly unrelated incedents happened within weeks of each other. From all of the internet buzz I have been reading it appears to me that these are not random killings and not a specific target the foriegner kind of thing. Each situation appears to have its own set of circumstances behind it and hopefully the true facts will become known eventually.

    I am not going to let this unfortunate kind of news deter me from future visits. I will echo the comment above by Kenneth Crawley, I’d feel safer in Iligan than I would in New York City.

    • Just a bit of a light hearted twist to a sad article…..
      Bob New York, I’ve seen a couple of your posts and a video of you singing around the web, man I would shoot you on your singing skills hahaha, don’t get offended only joking. You were quite entertaining on the night actually.
      I would keep away from Jollybee, now that stuff will kill ya lol.

      • LOL, thanks for the ” compliment ” Boss. Prior to my first visit I did not know that kariokie and singing at parties was such a popular thing LOL. I consider myself fortunate that I was ablt to pull that Iligan Song out of the proverbial hat and it seemed to bring a good reaction from those in attendance.

        It gets better than that though, when I end up singing to the Jollibee Mascott in the middle of busy SM Mall in CDO in the middle of the day but it was an opportunity not to be missed. I was singing in English and Tagalog all in the same song LOL ! Well, it got Jollibee to dance so I guess it was not all that bad. It was a big thrill for me as you can imagine !

        I was out to dinner one evening with Chancellor Salizar and other faculty of MSU-IIT, I think it was at Tippoys Grill on Tibanga Highway. We had our dinner upstairs and as we were leaving, a friend of the Chancellor sees him and invites all of us to the ongoing private party on the tent covered patio ( if I remember that correctly ). The Chancellor seems to be a big Kariokie participant and all of a sudden he introduces me to the audience that I am going to sing ” The Jollibee Song ” acapella. Took me by surprise and I had to take a few quick swallows of my San Mig before getting up from my seat. Ended up it was someone birthday party so I sang the song you saw in the video and also The Jollibee Song in English / Tagalog. That really kind of put me on the spot but I had a great time of it. These totally unexpected things that happen really are some of the things that make Iligan City such a great place to visit !

        Speaking of visiting, I have some new ones I am preparing. I am going to show up at the Monday Moring Flag raising at City Hall and join in the crowd and do the Iligan march ! I have been learning and practicing how to do it from the videos on Youtube and I even think I can lip-sync most of those words which can be a real toung twister for a Kano Toung LOL .

        Someone came up with a fantastic song and video for the Iligan dept. of Tourism ” Bring Home A Friend ” promotion ( everyone wins in this deal ) . It’s a catchy tune and I just about have the words memorized so I can sing it with or without the music ( actually I think that vid should be put in every karokie bar in the city ). There are a couple of Bisaya toung twisters in there that I am still working out but I think I will be able to sing it next time I visit if I am once again put on the spot ( all in fun of course ) to sing in front of a ” Live ” Audience.

        Usually after one of these events I end up switching from San Mig to Red Horse !

        Stay away from Jollibee ? If it were not for Jollibee, especially the Jollibee, Tibanga branch, I may have never come to the Philippines !

        You just never know what may attract someones attention enough to make them go half way around the world to ” Bee in The Picture ” . Would you go half way around the world to eat at Jollibee ? I did !

        • Just promise me one thing Bob New York, whatever you do DON’T sing the Philippino national anthem out of tune or with an American accent or even try to jazz it up, the proposed new laws bring in hefty jail sentences hahahaha. Enjoy Iligan City.

          • National Anthems, I leave to citizens of what ever the country is, and is not something to immitate or mimmic. All I can really do is mimmic the foriegn words but I always have the original song translated to some kind of English so I know basically what it is that I am attempting to say. I first learned about mimmicing songs many years ago when I heard Gene Pitney, a native of Connecticut sing his hit songs in a album marketed as ” Gene Pitney Espaniol ” and also Connie Frances had recorded some of her hit songs in foriegn languages too. I appreciate your suggestion and advice though, I’ll leave the Philippine National Anthem to Filipinos. I’d rather be drinking from a bottle of San Miguel or Red Horse, than having empty ones being thrown at me LOL !

  21. To my way of thinking, your more at risk of crime and danger,by family members, than by strangers. They know every move you make and when you do it. Family members Bragg To much, to feel important i guess? Aney way stay safe, and be a keen observer, as my wife always sayes.

  22. I’m afraid to say you may have to add the first british woman to the list of killings here in the Philippines this lady went missing in manila 2 weeks ago

    Published: 12:00AM BST 27 Sep 2010

    Fears grow for British expat missing in Philippines.

    Fears are growing for a British businesswoman who has gone missing in the Philippines.
    Carole Day, 56, was last seen leaving her hotel in Manila on September 12 to visit a showroom her furniture business.

    She was due to fly on to Thailand but never showed up for her flight. She was also due in London for a wedding this week.
    Mrs Day lives in Hong Kong, where her late husband Richard was a high court judge, with their sons Jai, 25, and Jamie, 21.

    Jai, an actor, has flown to Manila to help find her. He told the Evening Standard: “We’re a very close family – Dad passed away six years ago so it’s just the three of us.

    “My brother and I are very worried. Mum’s the kind of person who would phone you three times a day just to see how you are. When I last spoke to her she was fine, normal. It’s a mystery.”

    Friends and family of Mrs Day have launched an appeal for information on Facebook.

    Mr Day said: “I spent all day at the airport yesterday. According to the flight manifests and immigration records she hasn’t left the Philippines.

    “I’ve been to all the hospitals and there are no unidentified women of her description. She had no reason to go missing, and if she’d been kidnapped we would have had a ransom. It’s been nearly two weeks and I have no idea what might have happened. It’s very frustrating.”

    A spokesman for the Foreign Office said: “We are aware of the case and are providing consular assistance.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/8026859/Fears-grow-for-British-expat-missing-in-Philippines.html

  23. I’m so sorry Bob..to hear this sad news..its very disappointing when we are trying to promote mindanao and philippines , so that there will be more tourist to come…and reinvigorate the the economy especially our mindanao…

  25. hello bob
    when im in a foreign country i find that respect will get you a long ways in most situations.when i was in mindanao i would keep a low profile and stay home during the night.i stayed away from bars and such hot spots…i also do this here in usa and it seems to work for me,,,sorry to hear of all the killings there…i did hear angeles is not the safest place in philippines…interesting article my friend
    salamat bob

    • Hi RonW – Long time since I’ve seen you here! Welcome back! I tend to stay home at night almost all of the time. Not out of any safety reason, but the whole night life thing is really of no interest to me, that’s just not what I am all about. I hope that things settle down safety wise for foreigners!

  27. Bob it seems very coincidental to me that Kindy was carrying $US5000. There’s a very good chance robbery was the motive and for one reason or another, the killer never got the money. It’s tragic he was killed, but getting on a jeepney with more than P200k in your pocket? That’s just crazy.

    • Hi Ken – My understanding is that Kindy was on vacation. If you come here with that kind of money, generally, about all you can do is carry it with you. I do agree that it is not the safest thing to do, though. Police in Iligan are certain that robbery was not the motive, though.

      • Bob one report I’ve read since my first comment stated that Kindy owned an internet cafe and that the two women with him were employees of the cafe. It said two killers rode with them on the jeepney for a while, then got off and shot him from outside … which of course makes my robbery theory look somewhat unlikely, but also suggests he was more than just a tourist. I also read a comment purporting to be from his step-father saying he ‘knew it was dangerous for Steve to go back there’, which could mean all sorts of things. As with most of these incidents, I expect we will never know the real story.

        • Hi Ken – I have heard about one of the victims worked at an Internet Cafe, but this is the first I have heard that Steve Kindy owned the Internet Cafe. As with all such stories… the more days that pass, the more wild the story gets. Like you, I suspect that we will never really know everything about this incident. Very strange. I have also been told that Steve was a tourist here, but others have said he lived here. I don’t know for sure. Maybe he was living here on a tourist visa, which would tend to make both stories true. ❓

  29. Hi bob my wife saw this on yahoo and my mother saw it in our local paper ,my wife is concerned as it seems to be getting worse i said to her why are they killing the foreighners all this will do is to keep investment and tourists away ,alright maybe there are other reasons but if i was thinking about going to the phillipines to meet a young lady then this might be all that takes to say whoooo maybe this aint a good idea ,what is wrong with some of these people from what i have seen on the net and read the phillipines is the forgoton jewel of asia ,the cristal clear water the beaches it could be a tourist mecha the economy would grow more jobs would be created more services required ,i have surfed since i was about 9 and still go out hwen the weather is warm one of the greatest surf breakss in the world is in the phills cloud 9 surely if this trend doesnt stop then it will be an empty lineup ,i just dont understand it last month tourists from china were killed if this wasnt bad enough now all this and perhaps this poor british woman as well this could be another bali if they put there minds to it ,personally i have looked into buisness opertunities in construction mainly domestic but i dont know if it is worth the risk anyway i hope that this will blow over and things settle down as i dowant to live there eventually but even the wife is starting tomake noises about not going back
    chris

    • Hi Chris – Tell your wife not to get too freaked out. 5 murders across the entire country is not much. It is a trend to watch though, and see what happens. Hopefully this is just an anomaly.

      • Hi Bob, Wasington DC have a higher murder rates than Mexico city (4 to 1). DC have daily deadly murder shootings sometimes multiple for a city with approx 600,000 residents. I think Detroit is higher, reminds me of this joke:

        ” The coach had put together the perfect team for the Detroit Lions. The only thing that was missing was a good quarterback. He had scouted all the colleges and even the Canadian and European Leagues, but he couldn’t find a ringer who could ensure a Super Bowl win.

        Then one night while watching CNN he saw a war-zone scene in Afghanistan. In one corner of the background, he spotted a young Afghan Muslim soldier with a truly incredible arm. He threw a hand-grenade straight into a 15th story window 100 yards away.

        KABOOM!

        He threw another hand-grenade 75 yards away, right into a chimney.

        KA-BLOOEY!

        Then he threw another at a passing car going 90 mph.

        BULLS-EYE!

        “I’ve got to get this guy!” Coach said to himself. “He has the perfect arm!”

        So, he brings him to the States and teaches him the great game of football. And the Lions go on to win the Super Bowl. The young Afghan is hailed as the great hero of football, and when the coach asks him what he wants, all the young man wants is to call his mother.

        “Mom,” he says into the phone, “I just won the Super Bowl!”

        “I don’t want to talk to you, the old Muslim woman says. “You deserted us. You are not my son!”

        “I don’t think you understand, Mother,” the young man pleads “I’ve won the greatest sporting event in the world. I’m here among thousands of my adoring fans.”

        “No! Let me tell you!” his mother retorts. “At this very moment, there are gunshots all around us. The neighborhood is a pile of rubble. Your two brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives last week, and I have to keep your sister in the house so she doesn’t get raped!” The old lady pauses, and then tearfully says,

        “I will never forgive you for making us move to Detroit!”

        You’ll be safe’

        Mars

  30. Bob,
    It is disturbing that all these people have been killed (including the chinese tourist) in such a short time span but it does not surprise me. The filipino people have a differant attitude towards the murder of foreign people than we do. Let me explain: There was a point in time that I was traveling back and forth between the states and the philippines while my wife remained in the philippines with her family. During one of my trips back to the states a ship came into the local port near my wifes home and of course some of the sailers came ashore. One of these sailers, a chinese man, had a small argument with one of the locals. The local man pulled a gun and killed the chinese sailor. During a telephone conversation with my wife I asked. What will happen to the man who killed the sailor ?
    Her response: Nothing will happen to him, why would anything happen to him?
    My response: Well he murdered a man. I think he will be arrested and put in jail.
    Her response: Nothing will happen to him. Why would he go to jail ? No one cares, he only killed a foreigner, someone who wasnt from this place.
    After my return to the philippines we discussed this issue further and to my surprise it appeared that this was a wide spread sentiment of most if not all of the locals. Needless to say after that I really watched my P’s & Q’s as well as my back. Over the years I have paid attention to what happens when other people have been killed and have noticed that nothing has happened to the killer in most case’s. In most case’s the killer, if known was questioned but the family was usualy paid an amount of money to cover the burial plus a little extra for the family and the matter is forgotten, unless one of the deceased family members decides to take matters into their own hands at a later date.
    With this kind of attitude a foreigner in the philippines has a slim chance and even a slimmer chance of justice if he is killed.
    I noticed the same kind of attitude one time when I questioned the relationship between a very young girl (maybe 11 or 12 years) and a much older foreign man. I was told that the girl was able to make her own decisions and it was of no concern to anyone else. I was told that if the girl did not want to be with the man then she could simply leave or make a complaint to the local PNP.
    There is a big difference in the way we think and view things and in the way filipino’s see things, They do not value our lives as much as we do.

    • Hi Clay – I see murders go unpunished sometimes, but most murders do get solved and the perpetrator is punished. I can’t say anything about the case that you mention, because I do not know first hand what happened. If it is as you say… it certainly is shameful.

      • Bob, over the past 11-12 years I have paid close attention to things that happen in and around my wife’s home town because we have business investments there. If someone is killed, if someone dies, if someone is arrested I try to get all of the details. I try to keep up with what the mayor is doing as well as the local PNP and known drug lords and local military precense. I do this because their everday actions are good indicaters if there is going to be a shift in power and or control of the local surroundings. Over the years I have noticed that very few people have been convicted of murders (in this particular area) unless they happen to be to poor to pay off the family and or local authorities. I have also noticed that the local PNP chief is rumoured to accept bounty from families of murder victims. There have been countless assasinations by hired killers (my own father inlaw was assasinated) and persons arrested on drugs charges in the end go free unless arrested by the DEA. I have also noticed that when a new mayor or PNP chief comes into office there is a big influx in this type of crime. I assume they are showing their authority in order to gain control. The whole mess is shameful but accepted as part of everyday life.

    • Don’t give up too easily on the Filipinos, Clay. I think Filipinos are much more civilized than you are giving them credit for. I am hoping that the general sentiment of the people in your wife’s hometown about their lack of concern to punish the killer of a Chinese sailor because “he only killed a foreigner” is not as widespread as you seem to believe. The Philippines does have a working judicial system, and it is patterned after the U.S.’s as you well know, but just like anywhere else, it is not perfect.

      Moreover, Filipinos cannot afford to be apathetic about the application of justice involving the treatment of foreigners on Philippine soil simply because of the presence of 11 million OFWs around the world. The universal principles of reciprocity provides the DFA with some assurance that our OFWs are treated justly, just as Filipinos in the Philippines are expected to treat in kind foreigners on its soil.

      Btw, this town where the Chinese sailor was killed, is it in Masinloc, Zambales?

      • John,
        Haha , I,m not giving up on the filipino people, on the contrary, I love the people as well as the phillipines and it’s culture. I’m simply saying that the filipino people have a differant outlook on life and death as well as many other things , than the rest of the world does. During my stay’s in the philippines I was treated very well and felt perfectly safe. I did however (just as i do in any other place) keep a close eye on my surroundings and an even closer eye when in my wife’s home town. Which by the way is the infamous Tulay district (lots of drug activity) in Isabel, Leyte. I realize that the attitutes of the people vary from location to location but I think the overall attitude is the same everywhere. I am also aware that in some remote locations local government corruption is a big part of the break down in the justice system.

  31. yes, but most murders here in usa, are carried out by Hispanics, and blacks. however, we have plenty of idiots in the White, and other races, like Muslims against Infidels!!!
    I have lived in this area, neighborhood for 25 years, not one Murder, except at a convenient store by thugs. here in Texas, and elsewhere, more and more murders each day, by illegal aliens, drug dealers, criminals from Mexico, south America, sneaking across the border states…..I feel very safe here at my home in Dallas,texas, however, i have a gun permit to carry, and have it with me at most of the time. i have never had to pull it or use it, for fear of my life…also, being in great shape, and knowledge of Marshall arts helps with the way i carry myself….Many of the crimes here are desperate people, doing desperate acts…..it’s everywhere…. I will live in Bacolod next year with my Pinay wife and her family..Most Kano’s just need to pay attention to their surroundings, not go around insulting people, and respect others, especially when living or traveling, as in stay low key, and be flashy with your status.
    the British guy who was stabbed to death north of manila by a jealous boyfriend, is one situation that can happen any where, however, the girl is very much at fault. I hope the Philippine system will keep this hot head in jail. just my opinion….Ro

  32. I deeply deplore these brutal slayings and my heart goes out the victim’s families. However I will not be deterred, as I believe that the time and place and cause of my death has been recorded since long before my birth by Him that alone holds life and death in His hands. Not knowing where or how, or by what cause, my life will end I feel equally safe or unsafe where ever I am. It’s kind of a relaxing thought.
    Take care/ Goran

  33. Unfortunately it appears that few convictions occur for these kinds of crime – one of the few was the trial and conviction of a Filipina and her boyfriend for shooting her British husband whose mother came to the Philippines and pressured the police to do something – she even paid for the fuel for police vehicles as they said they had no fuel.She managed to get one grandchild back to the UK then returned and basically bought the other from relatives.A very stubborn and brave lady.
    I believe some killings in the past have been in order to sell the house and gain a few million pesos, some of which is split with the local police so that the investigation comes to a grinding halt.After all as a previous post stated its only a foreigner.I have a house in Manila and a house in Scotland – both in my wifes name, but as we are coming up to our 25th anniversary I have stopped watching my back!! Hope she doesnt read this – if there are no further posts from me you know what has happened!!

  34. @ Ro Shaw
    “yes, but most murders here in usa, are carried out by Hispanics, and blacks. however, we have plenty of idiots in the White, and other races, like Muslims against Infidels!!!”

    As a Muslim I take offense at sweeping statements like that. There is no “Muslims against Infidels”, seeing that both Christians and Jews are respected in Islam as “People of the Book”. However, as in all religions, there is a tiny minority that ignorantly make a totally insane interpretation of the Holy Books, or simply use it to bolster their murderous agenda.

    The difference is that when a so called Muslim group does something crazy all Muslims are blamed for it, whereas if a Christian sect like Uganda’s “Lords revolutionary army” that has killed tens of thousand over the past few years is simply (and correctly) referred to as a bunch of crazies.

  35. Americans here in Philippines are misled saying that the USA is more dangerous than the Philippines, check these stats from around 2005:

    USA ……………… 5.9 murders per 100,000
    Philippines…….. 21 murders per 100.000
    Indonesia ……… 8.9 ” ” ”
    Thailand……….. 8.2 ” ” ”
    Vietnam……….. 3.8 ” ” ”
    Cambodia ……. 18.5 ” ” ”

    The Philippines has the highest murder rate in South East Asia.

    —————————————————————————–
    Murder rates around the world

    Country/ Area Homicides per 100,000 pop Period

    Afghanistan 3.4 2004
    Albania 6.6 2004
    Algeria 1.4 2004
    Andorra 1.4 2004
    Angola 36 2004
    Anguilla 8.3 2004
    Antigua and Barbuda 7.7 2004
    Argentina 5.3 Ave 2004-2006
    Armenia 2.5 2004
    Australia 1.3 2004
    Austria 0.7 2004
    Azerbaijan 2.4 2004
    Bahamas 22.5 2004
    Bahrain 1 2004
    Bangladesh 2.3 2005
    Barbados 15.1 2004
    Belarus 8.3 2004
    Belgium 2.1 2004
    Belize 30.1 2004
    Benin 12.7 2004
    Bermuda 1.1 2004
    Bhutan 4.3 2004
    Bolivia 5.3 2005
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.8 2005
    Botswana 21.5 2004
    Brazil 30.8 Ave 2003-2005
    Brunei Darussalam 1.4 2004
    Bulgaria 3.1 2004
    Burkina Faso 18.1 2004
    Burma 15.7 2004
    Burundi 35.4 2004
    Cambodia 18.5 2004
    Cameroon 16.1 2004
    Canada 1.5 Ave 2002-2004
    Cape Verde 10.7 2004
    Central African Rep 29.1 2004
    Chad 19 2004
    Chile 5.5 Ave 2003-2005
    China 2.2 2004
    Colombia 61.1 Ave 2003-2005
    Comoros 9.3 2004
    Congo 18.8 2004
    Congo, the Dem Rep of the 35.2 2004
    Costa Rica 7.3 Ave 2004-2006
    Cote d’Ivoire 45.7 2004
    Croatia 2 2004
    Cuba 6 Ave 2004-2006
    Cyprus 1.8 2004
    Czech Rep 2.2 2004
    Denmark 1.1 2004
    Djibouti 3.5 2004
    Dominica 10.3 2004
    Dominican Rep 16.8 2004
    East Timor 11.7 2004
    Ecuador 16.8 Ave 2003-2005
    Egypt 0.7 2005
    El Salvador 56.4 Ave 2004-2006
    England & Wales 1.6 2004
    Equatorial Guinea 24 2004
    Eritrea 15.9 2004
    Estonia 6.7 2004
    Ethiopia 19.3 2004
    Fiji 0.7 2004
    Finland 2.8 2004
    France 1.6 2004
    Gabon 17.1 2004
    Gambia 13.5 2004
    Georgia 6.2 2004
    Germany 1 2004
    Ghana 11.6 2004
    Greece 1 2004
    Grenada 4.9 2004
    Guatemala 26.3 Ave 2002-2004
    Guinea 17.3 2004
    Guinea-Bissau 16.3 2004
    Guyana 19.2 Ave 2003-2005
    Haiti 5.3 2004
    Honduras 13.8 2004
    Hong Kong (Spec Admin Reg China) 0.6 2004
    Hungary 2.1 2004
    Iceland 1 2004
    India 5.5 2004
    Indonesia 8.9 2004
    Iran 2.9 2004
    Iraq 6.7 2004
    Ireland 1.1 2004
    Israel 2.6 2004
    Italy 1.2 2004
    Jamaica 33.7 2004
    Japan 0.5 2005
    Jordan 1.2 2005
    Kazakhstan 11.9 2005
    Kenya 6.7 2005
    Kiribati 6.5 2004
    Korea, north 18.9 2004
    Korea, south 2.2 2004
    Kuwait 1.4 2004
    Kyrgyzstan 8.1 2004
    Lao People’s Democratic Rep 5.4 2004
    Latvia 8.6 2004
    Lebanon 2.4 2005
    Lesotho 37.3 2005
    Liberia 16.8 2004
    Libya 2.9 2004
    Liechtenstein 2.9 2004
    Lithuania 9.1 2004
    Luxembourg 0.4 2004
    Macedonia 2.4 2004
    Madagascar 11.7 2004
    Malawi 18 2004
    Malaysia 2 2005
    Maldives 2.1 2004
    Mali 18 2004
    Malta 1.7 2004
    Marshall Islands 1.8 2004
    Mauritania 15.2 2004
    Mauritius 2.5 2004
    Mexico 10.9 Ave 2004-2006
    Micronesia 0.9 2004
    Moldova 7.2 2004
    Monaco 3.1 2004
    Mongolia 13.1 2004
    Montenegro 3.6 2005
    Morocco 0.5 2004
    Mozambique 20.2 2004
    Namibia 12.8 2004
    Nauru 9.9 2004
    Nepal 2.1 2005
    Netherlands 1.4 2004
    New Zealand 1.5 2005
    Nicaragua 17.4 Ave 2003-2005
    Niger 20.2 2004
    Nigeria 17.7 2004
    Northern Ireland 2.4 2004
    Norway 0.8 2004
    Oman 2.1 2004
    Pakistan 3.6 2004
    Palau 0.9 2004
    Palestinian Terr 4 2005
    Panama 13.4 Ave 2002-2004
    Papua New Guinea 15.2 2004
    Paraguay 17.8 Ave 2004-2006
    Peru 3 Ave 2002-2004
    Philippines 21 2004
    Poland 1.7 2004
    Portugal 1.4 2004
    Puerto Rico 18.9 Ave 2003-2005
    Qatar 0.8 2004
    Romania 2.4 2004
    Russian Federation 29.7 2004
    Rwanda 26.6 2004
    Saint Kitts and Nevis 22.7 2004
    Saint Lucia 21.3 2004
    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 16 2004
    Samoa 1.1 2004
    Sao Tome and Principe 5.4 2004
    Saudi Arabia 3.2 2004
    Scotland 2.6 2004
    Senegal 14.2 2004
    Serbia 1.4 2005
    Seychelles 3.5 2004
    Sierra Leone 34 2004
    Singapore 0.5 2004
    Slovakia 2.3 2004
    Slovenia 1.5 2004
    Solomon Islands 1.5 2004
    Somalia 3.3 2004
    South Africa 39.5 2004
    Spain 1.2 2004
    Sri Lanka 7.2 2004
    Sudan 28.6 2004
    Suriname 11.8 Ave 2003-2005
    Swaziland 12.7 2004
    Sweden 1.2 2004
    Switzerland 2.9 2004
    Syria 1.2 2005
    Tajikistan 2.4 2004
    Tanzania 26.1 2004
    Thailand 8.2 2005
    Togo 13.7 2004
    Tonga 1 2004
    Trinidad and Tobago 13.7 2004
    Tunisia 1.7 2004
    Turkey 6.9 2004
    Turkmenistan 7.8 2004
    Uganda 7.3 2004
    Ukraine 8 2004
    United Arab Emirates 0.7 2004
    Uruguay 4.7 Ave 2003-2005
    USA 5.9 Ave 2003-2005
    Uzbekistan 3.5 2004
    Vanuatu 1 2004
    Venezuela 32.5 Ave 2003-2005
    Viet Nam 3.8 2004
    Yemen 2.5 2004
    Zambia 22.9 2004
    Zimbabwe 8.4 2004

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/oct/13/homicide-rates-country-murder-data

  36. One need look no further than the Ampatuan massacre to understand viloence in the Philippines. This is a country where murder for hire is available for as little as $10,000 pesos…sometimes less. In many ways the Philippines resembles the U.S. gangster towns of the roaring 20s.

    My advice to foreigners in third world countries would be to keep a low profile and offend as few people as possible. If you need to move cash around for business reasons, hire a trusted employee to do it. Don’t rely on the police for protection but go out of your way to cultivate as many political and law enforcement relationships as possible. Word will quickly spread that you’re friend’s with influential people.

    The age old axiom of being in the wrong place at the wrong time definately applies to the Philippines. Keep your wits about you at all times and if something doesn’t feel right, turn around and head in another direction.

  37. Bob, from time to time someone here will accuse you of trying to paint too rosey of a picture when writing of the Philippines. I think this article proves them wrong…again. Thanks for the honest and open discussion. Jeff

      • Portraying ones own enthusiasm for something may differ from the true facts. I think Bob Martin differentiates between the two in his articles. Obviously Bob is very enthusiastic about where he lives but if he was trying to paint a pure Rosey picture of where he lives, would he have ever told us about an attempt to detour him by a tricicad driver a few weeks ago, and how Bob handled the situation ? This is just one small example.

        I think there is a good balance in the articles that appear on this site by Bob and the others. You have to really read a lot of it and not just the ” Rosey ” parts.

        There are places in Mindanao that I am very enthusiastic about as well. No these places are not perfect. Yes something could happen to you there as well as anyplace else but I don’t live there, I just like to visit whenever I can so I don’t really have anything to complain or badmouth about from my own, limited experiences. I take things as they are, I studied the place long enough to make my time there a very enjoyable experience.

  39. I lived in Dau in pampanga for 5 months, the women who wanted me to continue living with her, told me the same story, she could have me killed and nothing would happen, the way she said it i believe her….
    with minimal money one could do that there, but ofcourse there would have to be a reason to do it, my suggestion, is think before you act i could have avoided being with that women and i should have thinking back on it now…
    i just let the wrong head do to much thinking for me 🙂 think before you act there, don’t pretend to be rich, but never hurts to buy a few beers for locals or buy coffe for the local police station….most people there believe in good karma, and if your polite to people and generous with the kids at the store ( few peso of candy ) and important don’t talk bad about anyone to thier face or behind there back to anyone, because someday they will hear it lol they chika chika ( have big mouths ) alot there, you follow that code, and you will duck the greater majority or crimes violent and non violent. ( forgive my bad spelling in advance it sucks i know )

    • Hi Jason – I don’t know for certain, because I’ve never checked into it, but I have been told that in my area you can have somebody killed for P5k. Cheap… kind of scary!

      • hehe yeah that is holloween scary there Bob. however 2 things 1 you would really need to make someone mad and not have any locals on your side for that to go smooth, and the women i am most interested in getting married to lives in davio and attends the college there, small world 🙂

  40. and if your catholic, make sure to ask people that live near you where is a good church to attend, even if you go only 1 time a month, ( good karma ) also they will see you there. and know your the same faith as them, i think 80% + of the philippines is of catholic faith.

  41. Sounds like we should all move to Singapore or Austria. Maybe the Vatican maybe not a bad idea. Murder rates per 100,000 is atleast minimum there.

  42. perusing through the web-site and came across this article.

    was justice ever served for steve kindy?

    did they ever capture the killers?

    • To my knowledge there was never any justice in this case. I never heard of any culprit being caught, and a quick Google search yielded no results.

      • i did a google search and could not find anything.

        figured you might have heard something.

        thanks for the reply back.