Did you Overstay Visa?
Take care of it before it takes care of you!
If you overstay a visa, it might not be a pretty situation. I get questions so frequently from people who are illegally staying in the Philippines. The reason their stay is illegal is that they have stayed longer than their visa allows. The common term is that they have “overstayed”. Some people won’t have much trouble at all because they are only here a bit longer than their visa allows. This situation is easy to fix, you just have to pay some fines. I also get questions from people who have been here illegally for as much as 20 years. For people in that situation, the situation will not be nearly so pleasant as just paying a fine. Firstly, their fines will be very significant, and there will be other types of penalties as well. We’ll talk about that later in the article.
How Long can you Stay?
It depends on the type of visa that you have. Most who are in this situation have been staying here on a tourist visa. Some, however, on the Balikbayan Privilege (commonly called a Balikbayan Visa), a Resident Visa and just about anything else. Overstay visa, and how long you have overstayed depends on the type of visa.
Tourist Visa
If you arrive in the Philippines with no visa they will issue you what is called a “Tourist Visa Waiver” at the airport. It is stamped in your passport.
The Tourist Visa Waiver will allow you a stay of 30 days in the Philippines. When 30 days are nearly up, just go to the Bureau of Immigration office. There you can pay some money, to extend for a longer stay. The amount varies depending on which renewal you are on.
If you do not take care of this you will overstay visa. You can keep extending your visa until you have been here for a total of 36 months. At the end of 36 months, you must leave the country. You can, however, come back the next day. This will start another 36-month stay. As long as you extend your visa at the proper times, this is completely legal. You will have no overstay visa issues. If you do not extend your visa before it expires you are overstaying and you will run into problems sooner or later.
How will you run into trouble?
Either the Immigration Authorities will find you, or when you are ready to leave the country, you are stuck and cannot leave until you pay the penalties! In fact, if you overstay for more than 12 months, you will be blacklisted. What does that mean? Well, it means that you will never be allowed to enter the Philippines again, or will be banned for an extended period of time. When you arrive in the Philippines and the Immigration authorities check your passport they will see that you have been banned from entering the country, and you will not be able to leave the airport and must leave the country immediately.
If you overstay visa and go to the airport to leave, they will catch you, there is no way around it. What happens if you don’t have the money to pay the overstay visa fines that are due? Well, if you can’t pay they still won’t let you leave, but they also will not release you. No, they have a place for you to stay! In jail. Most people who are jailed for immigration matters are sent to the Bicutan Prison in Taguig. You will stay there until you pay the overstay visa fines.
How much will you pay for overstay visa?
The fees that you will have to pay include fines and penalties plus all of the visa extension fees that you did not pay during your stay in the Philippines. So, believe me, it is always cheaper to just pay the fees when they are due, not waiting until you have been caught and owe overstay visa fees. The penalty for overstay visa is P500 for each month of overstaying, plus all visa fees that should have been paid to remain legal.
Podcast about Overstay Visa Issues
On this episode of the Expat Answerman Podcast, we have numerous listener questions regarding Overstay Visa issues. These questions and my answers will make a nice contribution to this article.
Cris starts out and she is asking us about how much the fees are and any other penalties involved for overstay visa in the Philippines, particular for Chinese citizens. Our next question comes from Henry who experienced some problems after his wife passed away in the middle of his 13A Resident Visa application process, leading to the possibility of an overstay visa situation. Later in the podcast, we talk about the possibilities for having to stay in Jail after an overstay visa situation.
Listen in by clicking the play button below, and perhaps my answers will help you too!
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Balikbayan Privilege
If you enter the country on a Balikbayan Privilege then you can stay in the Philippines for 12 months free of charge. At the end of 12 months you have two choices:
- Leave the country (you can re-enter again the next day and start another Balikbayan Privilege).
- You may convert your Balikbayan Privilege to a Tourist Visa and stay for another 36 months as outlined in the Tourist Visa section above.
What happens if you overstay the Balikbayan Privilege? Same as what I outlined if you overstay a Tourist Visa. Best to follow the immigration rules and just follow step #1 or #2 above.
But, can you overstay a Resident Visa?
Well, sort of. It may not be technically “overstaying” but if you have a resident visa and do not follow the proper procedures, the treatment is the same as overstaying. You will get deported. In other words, you need to go in every year (Jan or Feb) and do your Annual Report at the Bureau of Immigration. You will pay a head tax of P310 (only about $6) at the time of your annual report. If you do not do this, then you are technically illegal here, and you must face the penalties.
With a resident visa, if you have missed doing your annual report, you are allowed to go in and pay fines for missing it and get current and you can continue to stay. But, if you are caught being overdue, as opposed to voluntarily going in and taking care of this, then you can and probably will be deported.
What if my wife or children are Filipinos?
I hear from a lot of people who have a wife in the Philippines, and many of them also have children here, but they have overstayed for a long time. They tell me that surely they cannot be blacklisted with a family here. Surely they can return to their family. Sorry… the rules apply to everybody. If you have an overstay visa for more than 12 months you are blacklisted, and you cannot enter the country again in the future – even if you have a wife and/or children in the Philippines. Either you will have to bring your family to your home country (or another country) or you will not be seeing them again. Yes, it is harsh, but if you just follow the law you will have no problems.
What can you do to avoid this?
It is very simple to avoid these problems with large penalties and fees to pay… just follow the law, renew your visa on time, and leave the country at the proper intervals as prescribed by law. Some people tell me that they had to stop following the law, they could not renew their visa. Well, as I said earlier, it will always wind up being more expensive if you do not follow the law. It will lead to serious trouble and could cost you a lot of money. So, no matter what you have to do, figure out a way to fly out of the country while you are still legal, or figure out a way to pay those visa renewal fees! It is by far your best option.
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hi bob I’m a filipino citizen and my son born here in US , I’m not applying him yet for dual citizenship. my question is how long can my son stay in the Philippines? Thank you and God Bless!!
Hello Shiela – The truth is, there is no reason to apply for dual citizen for your son. Since you are a Philippine Citizen, your son is too! Since your son was born in the USA, he is already a dual citizen. You only need to file a “report of birth abroad” with the Philippine Embassy or Consulate serving you to have his Philippine Citizenship recognized.
If your son travels to the Philippines on a US Passport, he can stay for 21 days, and then renew his visa until a maximum of a 16 month stay.
how long is the process of filing “report of birth abroad? is there any fee? because my son is going to philippines this january with his filipino ancestry and they want to stay more than 21 days and im concern about the stay of my son there,what can you suggest?
Processing time varies depending on the workload of the Embassy or Consulate where you apply. The only way to know how long it will take is to ask the people at the place where you apply.
Even on a US passport, your son can stay up to 16 months, but must simply renew his visa and pay the required fees.
thank you so much for answering my questions, you’re a big help:)) i really appreciate your website :)) God Bless..
thank you Shiela, and good luck to you and your son.
Hi Bob,
My us citizen born has been in the Philippines since 1 year old and she is now 18 years. I’m separated from the father and the father has been keeping my daughter away from me but he is now letting her come back to the u.s. The father and I are both of Filipino citizens. I live in the us and he lives in the Philippines. What will I need to do to bring back my daughter without paying the overstay fees.
Hi Liz, at the time of your daughter’s birth you should have registered her birth at the Philippine consulate in the area where she was born. If you did that, you can see recognition of Philippine citizenship, which will make her a dual citizen. If you did not register her birth, you7 should do so now, and then seek the recognition. Good luck to you.
Hi Bob , my cousin is half filipino he spend he’s vacation here 11 months ago he is just 15 , now he was only allowed to stay here for 6 months now he overstayed for 5 months what should we do?? He is schedule to go back next month , do we have to pay some penalties?? Thank you.
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hi Mr. bob im rosel resident here in the philippines…. i just have a question for you is there any consequences for an american citizen who got involve in to a trouble….
our family got situation here where a american citizen that happened to be my sisters husband had a fight on one of our family member the said person hold a kitchen knife and ask for a battle. we had witnesses for that matter…
im just wondering… would there be an legal action for that kind of person whicg is not a filipino…
pls… i need some answer
If you feel a crime was committed you should report it to the police. If he is guilty he will have to face the consequences.
Hi this is Cindy Claire Abraham, I’m 17 years old and I’m born in US, and since I’m 4years old I stay here in the Philliphine till now, what should I do? If I want too go around the world? And and I don’t pay tax, and my father is American he passed away here in the Philippines, and I my step mother getting all my monthly checked she don’t give me a penny,
If you have the opportunity to become a Dual Citizen you better do that because this will cost you Millions of Pesos.
Your best bet is to get some help at the US Consular Office or American Embassy. They also have an office for questions in regards to Social Security
Hello BoB! haha. I am very happy to find your website. But I hope you can answer my question for me about dual citizenship. Here goes..
I was born on March 10, 1992 here in the Philippines to both Filipino parents. But by the age of 3, I was adopted by also Filipino parents, and I was brought to America, and they naturalized me by the age of 3, so I am an American citizen. But now, I am here in the Philippines, and I was recently wondering if I am a dual citizen. I had acquired my birth certificate a the National Statistics Office here in the Philippines, and my birth certificate says that I was born here, and both my father and mother were Filipino citizens at the time of my birth. It says all the facts including my birth place, and time and who had delivered me. My question is now, am I a dual citizen?
NOTE: I DID NOT give up my Filipino citizenship at the age of 3 because I was a child.
Thank you in advance 🙂
Hi Sam – In my opinion, because you were naturalized through the actions of your parents, and were not old enough to make the decision on your own, I would say that you are a dual citizen now, both USA and Philippines.
Good luck to you.
Are you sure? Because I need some clarification. But after I became a US Citizen, I lived in America until I was 12 years old, and came back here in the Philippines until now, I am now 19 years old. I stayed her for high school and college. Like I said earlier, I acquired my birth certificate at the NSO, both father and mother are Filipino citizen, I was born in Pangasinan etc. So does this meet the grounds on being a dual citizen?
Please read the first words of my reply to you – “in my opinion.” That means that it is my opinion, not that I am “sure.” For concrete info please check with the BI and see what they tell you.
Good luck to you Sam.
BTW, if you are not a citizen and have been staying here for 7 years, if you have not been paying all of the visa fees and such, you are going to owe a lot of money! Better take care of this as soon as possible.
Sam- When you became an American, either by somebody swearing in for you…you automatically lost your Filipino citizenship…But….as a natural-born in the Philippines, you can apply for dual citizenship at the nearest Philippine Embassy outside the country or at the Dept. of Foreign Affairs if you are there
Hi Bob,
After reading this thread it got my son to asking me…Can he apply for dual citizenship? We had been discussing how we would move the Philippines but neither of us could actually own property. If HE can, then that would solve a big hurdle for us for sure.
Basic facts are:
his age now is 27
His birth mother and I got divorced in the states when he was 4 years old and he has lived with me ever since exclusively.
His Birth mother has since our divorce remarried and became a US Citizen, but is NOT interested in being a dual citizen herself
Am I to understand that when he was born here in the USA in 1984 and at the time his mother was a Philippine Citizen that he can apply for dual citizenship even if he is now 27?
If the answer is yes, can you email me privately and let me know if you provide any service to help accomplish this? I hate dealing with embassy’s and related tasks so if the price is right, I will hire you.
Hi Joe – Thank you for writing. I have good news and bad news for you and your son.
Bad news: Your son is not eligible to become a Dual Citizen under the Philippine Dual Citizenship law. That law applies to people who are former Philippine Citizens who have been naturalized in another country. Based on the info you gave, your son does not fit that description.
Good news: Your son can still obtain dual citizenship. In order to do that, your ex wife will need to file a report of birth abroad with the Philippine Embassy or Consulate serving the area where your son was born. If she is unwilling to do that, I know of no path to Philippine Citizenship for your son.
Sorry, I don’t offer any such services, just advice here on the website. Good luck to you and your son.
Good day Bob,
In your opinion, what are pros and cons of having dual (Fil-Am) citizenships?
Thanks!
Hi Larry – I know of now cons. Of course the pros are that you get the full rights of citizenship in more than one country. You can own land in the Philippines, vote, etc.
i have 2 questions,
first, i took my daughter back to the Philippines in April and i am getting her back to the US in Aug. she was born in the PI and she has a Philippine Passport at the same time she has a US passport.. i’ve been told that she is overstaying unless she is a dual citizenship( that needs to be registered but i have not).. will there be any problem when we leave the PI and got back to the US?
second, i am now a naturalized US citizen, do i automatically have dual citzenship or i need to regeister it? if so, where and how.
thank you
If your daughter has two passports, then she is a dual citizen. If she entered the Philippines using her Philippine Passport, she can stay as long as she wants to stay. If she used her US Passport to enter the Philippines she can stay 21 days before she needs to renew her visa, and renew every 59 days after that.
When you became naturalized, you lost your Philippine citizenship. You need to apply for dual citizenship if you wish to reclaim your Philippine citizenship.
i forgot what passport we used for her when we entered PI but she does not have any visa to renew..
even if i still have my Philippine passport and just renew it when it expires?
The visa is a stamp in the passport. It is impossible not to have a visa when you entered the country.
If you already gave up your Philippine Citizenship by being naturalized in the USA then it would be illegal to renew your Philippine Passport, because you are no longer a citizen. You need to apply for dual citizenship first.
for my daughter,she does not have a visa on her passports..
when i go to the PI,where could I go to apply for dual citizenship?
thank you
Hi May – The answer to your question depends on how you became a US citizen, and when. You say that “somehow” they made you a US Citizen, but I need to know by what means you became a US citizen before I can answer your question.
hi! Bob I’m a Filipino citizen but my wife just got her u.s naturalization(us citizen) moths ago. We had 3 kids ages: 6 months, 2 yrs old & 7 yrs old they are all dual citizenship FIL- AM. My Question is there any penalties if my kids were going to stay in Philippines for more than a year?
Hi Kristi – Since your mother is a Filipino citizen, you can be too. May I ask where you were born? The country of your birth will determine how you can go about getting your Philippine citizenship, and thus avoiding all penalties for overstaying.
Hello! My mother and father were both Filipino/American citizens at the time of my birth. I was born in the Philippines but they somehow made me into a American citizen. I saw my birth certificate at the NSO, and it says my mother and father are Filipino citizens. So, what does that make me? Dual? Thank you.
You apply for dual citizenship at the Bureau of Immigration.
Well, I was actually wondering if my parents at the time were also American citizens at the time of my birth, if that had an automatic affect on my citizenship and made me into an American citizen. But at the same time, I have a birth certificate claiming my parents are Filipino citizens at the time of my birth.
Hi Sherman – Since you are a citizen of the Philippines, your children are entitled to be Philippine citizens as well. Since you said they are already dual citizens, be sure they have either a Philippine Passport or a Certificate of Philippine Citizenship with them. They should show it when entering and when exiting the Philippines, and they can stay in the country for as long as they wish to stay. No penalties. If they do not have one of those documents there will be penalties to pay.
Hi bob! I’m so thankful I found your website. I’d like to ask regarding my daughter’s status. She was born in US California last 2009 but both of us her mom and dad are Filipino Citizens. When I gave birth to her in America I did not overstay there and went back to Phil together with the baby. At the PHilippine immigration in the airport she was given 1 year stay in her blue passport. We are living here now in the Philippines so she is now overstaying here for more than a year. My problem is I don’t know what should we do to legalize her stay here for schools and in case we want to visit other asian countries I fear in the airport her overstay will be questioned and we will be charged with fines. Would you know what we should do? to minimize also paying fines. Do I need to apply for dual citizenship?
Hi May – the Dual Citizenship law is only like 7 or 8 years old now, so unless you are much younger than I suspect… I doubt that your parents were dual citizens when you were born.
If I were you I would go to the DFA and inquire with them regarding your citizenship and what steps are available to you.
Hi if we we will apply for dual citizenship if ever? it won’t affect her American citizenship right? Would you know how to go about the dual citizenship application? how much is the fine for overstaying?
Hi bob,
i was born in USA. i’ve been living in the philipines since i was 2 . Now im 16 and i want to go to college but i have incomplete documents. Im an amercn ctzen , so is my father. My mom is filipno ctizen.
Do i have to pay for overstaying? Do i need to get student visa or dual citizenship?
You do not need to apply for dual citizenship in your case, Marga, all you need to do is file a report of birth abroad for your daughter.
Hi Bob,
I got a question, If you are dual citizen (U.S and Filipino) living in the P.I. and you have I wife which is Filipino citizen and have a child which is born in the Philippines, can you put U.S. citizen on your child birth certificate or you need to put Filipino as your citizenship? So let say you put Filipino citizen on your child birth certificate can you apply for CRBA at the U.S. Embassy in manila even your child birth certificate from NSO stating father and mother are both Filipino Citizen.
Is the child automatic dual citizen or not?
Hi Camela – You have several problems to address.
First problem is that you have been overstaying for the past 14 years. You are going to owe some rather major fees to the Bureau of Immigration before you get this all straightened out.
Second problem is that when you were born in the USA, your Filipino mother should have filed some papers called a “report of birth abroad” with the Philippine Embassy or Consulate that served the area where you were born. If she had filed that paper, you would have been a dual citizen already.
To straighten this all out you need your mother to make a late filing of the report of birth abroad and hope that given the lateness of it, the report will still be accepted. It probably will.
Next, you need to go to the Bureau of Immigration and straighten out your penalties with them for overstaying.
Good luck to you.
Hi Bob! I have a son who is a naturalized U.S citizen. He was born in the philippines. Is he qualified to apply for dual citizenship? If so, can we process his application here in the Philippines? Thanks
You did not give me enough information to be able to answer your question.
1. What was the citizenship if the mother and the father at the time of his birth?
2. What is his current age?
Hi Bob! I was born here in the Philippines with both Filipino citizen parents. I’ve been a naturalized Canadian since 1994, who has overstayed here in the Philippines. Been here since January 2011. I’ve got a new Canadian passport and have applied for dual citizenship recently on October 10,2016. I’ve already taken my oath. Yet it will take maybe another week or two to get my dual citizenship mailed to me. If I leave on my scheduled flight this October 31, 2016. Will I have problems with the immigration? Would I have to pay all the penalties for over staying here in the Philippines?
Yeah, you will have major problems. They won’t let you leave, you owe a lot of money for overstaying that long. If you can wait and leave after you have received your Dual Citizenship Certificate than you will have no problems, but if you try to leave without having that.. well… you will be facing serious problems. Good luck.
Hi Bob. I’d like to ask how long is the process for Philippine Dual citizenship. I applied last April 2011 and up to now I haven’t got the certificate that the Philippine Immigration is suppose to mail me. Please advice. Thanks for all your help.
Hi Romel,
Personally, I think that it does not matter what is on the birth certificate. You, as a US citizen can just file the report of birth abroad and your child would have dual citizenship.
Hi Frank, when you entered the country on your German passport that meant that for this stay you are considered as a German. That is the reason why you need an ACR card, work permit etc. If you leave the country and re-enter on your Philippine Passport, you will not need any of that. Currently, because you entered the country on a foreign passport you are considered a foreigner under the law, and not a Philippine Citizen.
Hi Bob,
Ah I see. makes sense – thanks Bob!
hi Bob!glad i found your website.I just wanna ask about my son who was born in US last 2009,me and my husband are Filipino Citizen..How long does the child should stay outside the US territory?..Is there any required fee?Is there any problem if we decided to visit US again?by the way we are recently residing here in UAE..Thank you
Thank you bob! 🙂
i suppose that since your son is a US citizen, but living in Dubai, he would need to have a visa from the Dubai Government. However, Dubai is really outside the scope of this website, and to be honest, I know nothing about Dubai immigration or visas.
Hi,
I am a U.S. citizen, born in NJ, but lived in NY for most of my life. I moved and have been living in Georgia for the past 9 years. Both of my parents were born and raised in the Philippines but I think that only my dad was still a Filipino Citizen at the time of my birth. (I believe my mom became a U.S. citizen before I was born.)
I went on vacation to the Philippines in late April of 2011 with Balikbayan status on my Passport. I am really low on the cash flow, so I would either need to stay here and work or go back to the U.S. The only problem is, if I wanted to work here, I believe I would need to have a working visa or a dual citizenship. (If I only got a working visa, I would still need to start paying for extending my stay past late april of 2012….so most likely, the dual citizenship is the better option.) I need to start working ASAP!! What would I need to do? (Where do I go to apply? Would I need any other papers, etc??) ….and how long would it take before I can legally start working here in the Philippines?
Any help would be very much appreciated!
I am a Malaysian citizen, I want to renounce my Malaysia citizen to Philipine, can I apply it at Philippine here? Where and how to apply for it?
Hi Ray – Yes, that is a long time, but that is how long it takes, I’m sorry. For information on the costs and paperwork you need to submit, you can find that in our book. The book is only $9.99 and you can download it immediately upon payment. You can find the book here:
http://philippinedualcitizenship.com/get-our-book/
6mo-1 year? That’s a long time! There’s nothing I can do to get my dual citizenship faster? What kind of paperwork would I need to apply? Passport? etc… Do you know about how much it would cost me to get a dual citizenship? Price for Philippine Passport? Price for Philippine Driver’s License? Thanks!!!
Hi Ray – Yes, you can apply here to be a dual citizen. Just go to the Bureau of Immigration to get the ball rolling. It takes between 6 months up to 1 year for the processing to be completed, though.
Hello, Sir Bob. I was browsing the enternet and see your site. I just have a question about citizenship, my mom was a filipino citizen and my dad was a uu citizen. I didn’t left/exit the country until 2000. Is that makes me dual citizen? And now that I have a child of my own, does my child becomes dual also? Waiting for your response and thank you in advance. More powe and God Bless!!!
Hello Eric – If you are already in an overstay situation, you cannot just go get a tourist visa. You need to go to the Bureau of Immigration and follow their instructions on getting your situation resolved. Good luck.
how to apply for the tourist visa? im worried cause im already overstay about 4 months here, pls guide me..
Bob thanks for all your help answering our questions.
My family and I are all dual-citizens we entered the Philippines in June 2010. We were advise to use our US Passort when we entered the Philippines. We presented our dual citizen certificates to the immigration officer. The Philippine immigration officer did not stamp a date on our US Passport of how long we can stay. I’m planning to return to the US this February 2012 and would like to inquire if I have any penalty fees.
1. Do I have any penalty fees to pay? A date was not stamped on our US Passport how long we can stay.
2. To insure there are no issues when exiting what can I present to the immigration officer?
3. Can I pay this ahead of time and not at the airport.
Hi Ryanne – I’m sorry, but you really did not give me enough information to be able to answer your question:
1. I don’t know what a “uu” citizen is. What country is your father a citizen of?
2. Were you born in the Philippines?
3. Where was your child born?
4. What is the citizenship of your child’s father?
5. Your mother is a Philippine citizen right? And she was a Philippine Citizen on the day you were born?
6. If you left the Philippines, you must have a passport. What country is your Passport from? Do you have more than one passport?
Hi Bob,
I really need a straight answer about my kids status in philippines. My kids were born here in the US. back in Aug 2007 their mother brought them in philippines after our seperation since then they never came back now that mother and I are in good terms we agreed to share custody of our kids there mother is a filipino citizen. my question is are there any penalties we have to pay before i arrange a flight for my kids back here in the US if there is any penalty how can i avoid this? its been almost 5yrs.
Thanks in advance!
hi bob, i have a question. i was born in america and i was brought here in the philippines using my us passport on 1996 i have not gone back ever since, my father is an american citizen and my mom is a phil citizen, can i still apply for dual citizenship?
Hi Mark – To be honest, I am kind of confused by what you said. You say you entered on your US passports. You also said that they did not stamp your US passports. That is a big problem. Your passport should have been stamped upon entry. Also, if you did enter on your US Passport, and not a Philippine Passport, there are going to be fines for overstaying here. You really should have entered on a Philippine passport and there would have been no fines to pay.
1. Yes, there will be penalties, if you did enter on your US Passport.. since they did not stamp your passport, though, this is quite confusing to me.
2. I don’t know.
3. I believe you will need to pay at the airport, but you can go inquire at the Bureau of Immigration and try to clear this up.
Hi again Sir Bob. Sorry it takes too long for me to reply, been busy myself.
I was born in Olongapo City, Philippines. My mom was Filipino citizen and my dad was US citizen (he was in the service) and from Louisiana, USA.
I left Philippines at age 25 (for the first time). I have my Filipino birth certificate, but all of us kids were holding a us passport- the passport I used when I left RP.
My daughter was born here in USA and my husband was USA citizen (by birth).
I only have one passport…but went to school in RP all the way to college. Work there also, using my Filipino birth certificate and as a Filipino.
Question is- am I considered dual? And does that apply to my daughte? She was born a year afterafter I left RP.
Daghan salamander post!!!
Hi Carla – Check my earlier comment to you on this. I said that it is likely that you can avoid the penalties and fines by doing the dual citizenship. My previous comment already answered the question you are now asking. Go for it!
and to add detail, I went to the NSO, and I got my birth certificate, and I was surprised I was able to get an NBI.. So, I’m not sure whether or not I am dual citizen because I could get my NSO, and an NBI here..
If you are a former Philippine Citizen, all you need to do is file for Dual Citizenship, and that will be all.
Just make sure you’re married BEFORE you apply for a resident visa. Anyway, it’s the way to go. The first card (instead of a visa stamp) is good for a year and then you can renew it for 10 years. I’m on my second one now, expires in 2017.
Hi RT – Thanks for stopping by. You sure are correct… you can only apply for permanent residence after you become married!
Just a comment about your late statement: According to what I’ve been able to read, if you are eligible for Social Security, you can collect it overseas…
Check out this site for more info:
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10137.html
Yes, that is correct, Dave, you can collect Social Security anywhere in the world.
Whoops…meant to write “last statement”
Hi all,
MANY folks think that if they leave the USA and then wait a few years to get their Social Security that they will make out better.
NOT true. If you stop working and then WAIT to file even one year will lower your final payouts. Wait several years after you stop working and you get a much lower amount every month.
I have seen this happen 4 times in the past year and it is a common problem with pre retirement age folks.
Hi Joe – Some folks, like me, believe that there are more important things than Social Security. Things like enjoying their life. That’s why I decided to move to the Philippines at age 38, and enjoying my life. It’s a personal choice, though. Neither of us is right, we just chose what is right for us.
Hi Bob,
Roger that on the decision. perhaps you misunderstood my post.
I was just replying to the comment from the fella saying he was going to move first then wait a few years after the move to collect. A lot of folks are not prepared or informe that their SS will be reduced by a large amount when the stop working then wait to collect.
Again, I have been following yo long enough to know, your in the right place and the right time with the right people. I am always happy to see and hear from content folks!
Thanks
Hi Joe – I am sorry, I interpreted your comment to mean that people should wait until retirement age before making a move like coming to the Philippines. Like I said, I didn’t feel you were wrong, just that we had different opinions. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Hi bob, I have a question about dual citizenship. My son was born in the US, we, his parents, are both filipinos, we reported his birth to the Philippine consulate in Ca and assumed that he is already considered a filipino citizen. We came back to the Philippines, and he used his American passport to enter Phil. He is staying there for 2 years now. Did he overstay? The fact that we reported his birth meant that he is already considered a filipino, thus we assumed that he doesnt need any more certification from the BI. However, we we are planning on traveling to Korea, and we got mixed advices.. he should get a philippine passport or else he’ll be fined for overstaying. Is this true? We are planning on getting him a Phil passport, but I am also wondering whether he will be fined for those months that he doesn’t have the Phil passport yet.
Thank you somuch.
Hello, I’m a dual citizen that has been living in the Philippines for almost 10yrs straight with no returns to the U.S. My question is, If I’m planning to move back to the U.S. will I have to pay any penalties for staying in the Philippines for so long without going back? I heard that the penalty fees are pretty expensive for 10yrs.
hi just quick question.my mom is a permanent resident green card holder.last october 2011 she went back home till now.shes overstaying there.can she still come back here in the u.s.??its been a year and three months now when she went.can she still come back here in the u.s.??
Thank you very much Bob. This is really very helpful. I have one last question though: so, once he gets a Philippine passport, would he be able to go out of the country without fine if he presents both passports?
Hello Bob! I have been living in the Philippines for 8 years but I am an American Citizen. How much do I have to pay for my overstay? and where do I have to pay? Will they try to deport me if they know that I overstayed even though I will pay the fee? And i wanted to become a dual citizen because I was born in the Philippines, so do I pay the overstay first before I become a dual citizen? or can I get a Philippine citizenship then pay for my overstaying. Thank you in advance Bob.
I love the Philippines so much, and that is why I do not want to leave the Philippines 🙁
Can you please give me an estimate of what I have to pay? Because I read the BIR site, and it is confusing for me. Thank you!
You did not give me enough information about your case to be able to estimate what your penalties might be. The BIR would have nothing to do with any penalties, it is the BI (Bureau of Immigration) that would handle that. The BIR is the Bureau of Internal Revenue, the tax collection agency. BIR is not involved in immigration or anything of the nature. Their website would have no information on what you need.
Hello Catilan – I don’t know what kind of visa you have, you did not say. Do you have just a tourist visa? If so, you are overstaying and will also have to leave the country because the maximum tourist stay is 16 months. Having overstayed so long, you may be blacklisted and blocked from returning in the future.
You mention dual citizenship. Are you a former Philippine Citizen? Dual Citizenship is only available for former citizens. If you are a foreigner, you cannot apply for dual citizenship.
I was a student here in the Philippines from high school to college, and my parents said that I had a student visa. I am a former Philippines citizen. May I know blacklisted from where? From America or the Philippines? Thank you.
I am sorry that I mentioned BIR. What I meant to say was BI. Bureau of Immigration. Is it possible for me to just pay the fees, and acquire my dual citizenship since I was a former Philippine citizen? And is it possible that I can acquire my dual citizenship before I pay my fees to the BI?
Hi Caitlan – OK, you did not mention that you are a former Philippine Citizen. I would recommend that you simply apply for Philippine Dual Citizenship and all of this will be taken care of then. That would be your best move.
Bob, to be honest. I am afraid to apply because I am worried that if I try to apply for a dual citizenship, that they will not allow me since I have a fee to pay as an overstaying American citizen for 8 years. Will they still allow me to apply even before I pay? I am planning to get married to a person here, and I am not in the position to be deported. Thank you 🙂
Hi Caitlan – I don’t believe they will deport you if you apply for dual citizenship. Once you are a citizen you cannot be deported. They may well make you pay the fees that are owed before you apply. Right now, you are serious jeopardy of being deported. Your choices as I see them are:
1. Apply for Dual Citizenship
2. Go to the BI and pay your fees, then leave the country (as I am sure your current visa is long since expired already).
3. Continue to be in hiding and hope you don’t get caught.
I personally believe that #1 is your best choice.
Anyone on a tourist visa is allowed to stay ‘three’ years before they have to leave the country. You can then enter the country again renewing your visa every six months until your three year term is up again. Pretty simple process but don’t overstay, keep your visa up to date as penalties for overstaying are understandably harsh.
Will they try to deport me if I apply for the dual citizenship? Because you have to provide them your recent passport.
Can you give me an estimate price of the fee to pay at the BI?
No, I am sorry, I can’t. I do not know enough about your current case to have any idea. Go to the BI and ask them, they are the only people who will know. If you are worried about deportation and just want to know the fee, just call the BI on the phone, don’t identify yourself, and ask them to help you.
thank you.that mean i have to start all over again.i have to file again for her.thank you so much!!
Hi bob, my son is us citizen and i’m filipino citizen. We’re going home to the philippines next month but my son has only american passport. I will need to report his birth here right? After that can he apply passport in the philippines when we already arrive there? Thankss!
Hello,
If you showed your US Passport and not your Philippine Passport when you entered the Philippines, then you are overstaying and will have to pay fines to the Philippine Government.
If you showed your Philippine Passport, or both Passports when you entered the Philippines, then you have no problems, and no fines due.
Hello Betty – You have a bit of a problem there. Yes, your son is a dual citizen. But, by having him enter the Philippines and only show a US Passport, you declared your son as a US Citizen, and not a Filipino. Yes, your son is overstaying, and I would recommend that you go to the Bureau of Immigration and work this all out. Get a Philippine Passport for your son. Next time, when your son enters the Philippines, show both of his passports and get them both stamped.
Hi Carlo – It depends on what kind of passport was used for your children when they entered the Philippines. If a Philippine passport was used, there are no penalties or fees. If they entered using a US passport, there will be penalties and fees to pay. I can’t say how much. I would recommend that you visit the Bureau of Immigration, explain the situation, and they will gladly assist you in setting everything right in your case. Good luck to you.
Hi Bob my name’s Alan I’m a US citizen I married a Filipina girl here in Manila what’s the best way to bring her to USA to a fancy V Visa or just a Visa
There are basically 3 ways you could get her to the USA?
1. Tourist Visa. The odds of being able to obtain a tourist visa for her are less than 1%. It is possible, but barely possible, I don’t think it will happen.
2. Fiance Visa. You will need to come here first and meet her, document your meeting with a lot of pictures. If the two of you agree to marry, you can apply for a fiance visa. It will take anywhere from 8 months to 2 years for this type of visa to be issued.
3. Spousal Visa. You can come here and marry. After the marriage you can apply for a visa for your new spouse. It will take between a year to two years for a spousal visa to be issued in most cases.
Good luck to you.
hey Bob this is a great site by the way
this is my situation, i have a daughter who is born in US and she came here in Phil last june 2008 with a US passport. me and my wife are both filipino citizens but my wife is a green card holder and currently applying for US citizenship. it is said in her date stamp on her passport that she is allowed to stay here for a year. and she is overstaying until now. my wife and i are waiting for my petition. and i was wondering if within this year if the petition goes thru, me and nichole would definitely go to US together, what are my options upon nichole’s exit?should i get a philippine passport for her?is there a fee upon nichole’s exit?
If your Mom is a green card holder and has been out of the USA for more than 1 years, she will likely not be able to go back again unless she applies again. If you leave the US for 1 year or more, they usually cancel your green card, because you are no longer considered to be residing in the USA.
Yes, that is correct on future trips. But, currently he will have fines to pay.
Hi Jay – No, you don’t need, or qualify for the Philippine Dual Citizen law. All you need is for your mother to file a report of birth abroad with the Philippine Embassy or Consulate that serves the area where you are born. Of course, at this point the report will be late, but if accepted will result in automatic dual citizenship.
Hi Bob, thanks. so sorry for the confusion.
The US Passports were stamped upon entry. But unlike in 2004 we don’t see an additional “time stamp” of how long we can stay. In 2004 it showed giving us until 2005 to stay. This time it doesn’t show a date. Originally our plans were to stay longer. But I agree I think our failure was not using the Philippine passport.
Sir Bob,
Sorry on the last sentence of post… Hate auto correct…
I mean daghan salamat po!!!
Based on the information you provided, it is my belief that you are a dual citizen of the Philippines and the USA.
I believe that you need to get a Philippine Passport to protect your Philippine Citizen. If you are issued a Passport, nobody can argue against you being a citizen.
As for your daughter, you should file a “Report of birth abroad” with the Philippine Consulate that serves the area where you live. This would be the way to obtain dual citizenship for her.
Good luck!
thanks Bob
Bob, i already have the report of birth abroad for nichole and also i had it in NSO form for birth certificate. Which is cheaper, applying for 3 year extension in US embassy or paying for fines in BI here in Philippines?
Hi Bob,
Once you received the report of birth (for my son), what do I need to do after that? My son is in the Philippines and we pay taxes every year in the Philippines. Will the report of birth be sufficient enough so we don’t pay the tax every year since a report of birth was done??
Do I need to take my son to Philippine Embassy in Manila? Please give me an advice
Thank you so much for your time and help
Hi Louis – OK, you have me a bit confused now! That’s OK, though, I’m used to being confused!
If you already filed the birth abroad, then your daughter is already a Philippine Citizen. If you show her citizenship papers, then she is not overstaying at all.
Also, I don’t understand what you mean about “filing a 3 year extension at the US Embassy.” Extension of what? I mean, the US Embassy does not have any involvement in Philippine Immigration issues.
As far as I am concerned, if you show your daughter’s citizenship papers, there are no fines due.
Hi Jenina – Yeah,that sounds like a plan. I don’t think you will have any problems with that.
Hi Bob,
i’ m overstaying for 2 years now after getting a 9-A visa, (I was quiet busy, and busy and time passed to fast) did you know what will be the penalties,, I’m asking to different BI office and every time i got different fees..
thanks a lot
daniel
Hey Bob this is a great site by the way
This is my situation, i have a SON who is born in US and he visit philippines when he was 1 years old. Technically he overstayed for almost 11 year. I am aware of the penalties.
He’s Father ( permanent resident) brought him in philippines for vacation since then they never came back now that father and I agreed to share custody of our son. what should i do? please advice.
Here’s my question:
1. I am Filipino citizen when i was pregnat with my son. Is it possible if i could apply him in dual citizenship since i didn’t make any changes in my status when i was preganat with him? I am a permanent resident now for 11 years.
2. To file a report of birth abroad for my son – is it necessary to go to california where he was born? Or, can i just file the report of birth in any US embassy in united states?
Thank you..
Does it mean that my son is US citizen (since he was born here united states)/Philippine citizen? if so, can i apply for a dual citizenship for him?
Thank you so much for all the info you’ve provided.
Bless your heart!
bob do i have to pay the whole amount for overstaying for 16years? i am planning to go back to the u.s early next year i used my u.s passport to enter the philippines and my passport has expired. i am now an adult, i have entered here when i was 6. and another question do i have to pay the fee before i renew my passport or can i just renew my passport then pay the fee?
Hi Judith – The truth is, your son is already a Philippine Citizen, but you just have not yet taken the steps to have his Philippine Citizenship recognized. You need to file the late report of birth abroad right away. You do not file it with the US Government, it is really no concern of their’s and none of their business. You file that with the Philippine Embassy or consulate that serves the area where your son was born, you said California. You don’t have to go there, you can file it by mail.
Once you get your son’s citizenship papers, take them to the BI and they should reverse any penalties for your son’s overstaying in the Philippines.
Hi Emmy – Ha ha.. please don’t send the report of birth to me! I’m not even Filipino, and am not connected to the Philippine Government in any way! I am just a private individual foreigner who lives in the Philippines and owns this website! If you send it to me, your goal will never be accomplished. As I said before, file it with the Philippine Embassy or Consulate closest to where your child was born.
Tax will have to be paid for any income derived from the Philippines.
There is no Philippine Embassy in Manila! Countries don’t have Embassies inside their own country. File the report at the Embassy or Consulate which serves the area where your child was born.
so when she exits this year using her US passport, we will need to show also her birth certificate and with that we wont need to pay for overstaying dues?
No, actually that is not what I said. Does her birth certificate show that she is a Philippine Citizen? Oh, I believe you said that you had an official NSO birth certificate, that should do. What I would do is to go to the BI and check with them first, before leaving. That way you will avoid any surprises.
I would really recommend that you get a Philippine passport for her, so that you can avoid all these hassles in the future.
Good luck.
Hi Louis – Yeah, you are going to have penalties to pay before she can exit. What you need to do is file a report of birth abroad for Nichole, at the Philippine Embassy or Consulate that serves the area where she was born. Once that is done, you can apply for her Philippine Passport.
Good luck to you!
Hi there,
I have a friend that is staying in manila with her balikbayan visa but she is 9 months overstayed. What can she do about it.
She needs to leave PH ASAP for christmas and we need to know the fastest and easiest way to resolve this matter.
Fastest remedy would be to pay the fines that are due, then leave. Another option would be to convert the Balikbayan Visa to a tourist visa.
Thanks Bob
Do you how much it is for a month fine?
So tourist visa is much longer than the balikbayan visa. If she pays the fine can she leave manila straight away and will she be able to come back after the christmas holidays.
She’s finding it hard to communicate in manila with some of the people because she speak no word of tagalog and i think some woman is trying to rip her off.
Hello, sorry I have no way of knowing how much the fine will be, she should check with the BI to find out.
The fine for overstay is PhP500 for each month of overstay plus whatever fees would have normally been paid had the overstayer obtained and maintained their visas as they should have done.
I overstayed just ONE day and the BoI wants me to pay 9k pesos >?????? does this sound right or they are trying to rip me off ? Their reason is even if I’m a day late i still need to pay the late penalties, the extension fees, the id card (*which is only 300 p). This all cant possibly mount up to 9K does it ??? that’s the cost of a good round trip airfare in most places.
Hi Bob, I have a daughter 4yrs old now, who is born in Canada, I took her with me @ age of 2 in the Philippines on Dec 2010.I left her with his dad in the phils.I filed report of birth @ Phil consulate Vancouver july 2011.my husband and I are both philippine passport holder when I gave birth until now. My questions are, do I have to pay fines for her overstaying and if once the parent filed report of birth is the child will be automatically dual citizen?do I have to get a Philippine passport for her?
Thank you in advance for your reply
Hello Jay – You will have to pay all fines that are due, for all 16 years, or you will not be allowed to leave the country.
You can renew your passport at any time, it has no connection to your visa status.
Hi Sir Bob! I eed your help very badly…Im so confused I get different infos on my 2 US citizen kids.
Here is my story:
My two girls were born in the US. We came home to the phils last jan, 2003. They entered the Phils thru their US passports. I had been paying for their extension for about 2 yrs til I was advised to apply for dual citizenship. I went to DFA and applied for their Phil passports sometime in 2006 but never went back to BI since the head DFA told me they dont have to pay for their stay since they already have phil passports. My question is, doesnt it matter even if they entered the phils on a US passport?
I used to believe that the head officer of DFA gave me the right info that I dont have to pay for their stay at BI til I got different confusing stories from people. Pls advise me on this matter. We have been here in the phils straight from jan 2003 til now.
Thank you so much!
Hi Jay – P500 per month may or may not be the price. It might be more or less than that, it depends on many factors. Overstaying for 16 years is a serious offense, you are an illegal alien here. P192k is cheap for such an offense… certainly preferable to going to jail, right?
about social security and waiting to apply, it is calculated on your best 35 years of income,so if you stop working and then 4 years later get ss its still estimated on your best 35 years. so if you did not make much money your last 4 years it would not be included in the time the us govt uses to decide your benefits
Hey Bob 🙂 I am currently an American citizen living in the Philippines but I have been here a long time. My blood is Filipino, and my mother, and father are living in America as of now. I have been here for at least 10 years ( I know i have a lot of expenses to think about ) But my question would be, is it possible to apply for a dual citizenship before paying my overstay or will they not accept my application because I overstayed? Thank you so much!
Thank you so much!
Anybody can get an NBI clearance, whether they have ever been a Philippine citizen or not… even me!
i forgot to mention, my father is living as american citizenship, former filipino citizen.. mother is a dual citizen.
Hello Carla – You mentioned your mother and father’s citizenship, but what about your past citizenship? Were you ever a Philippine Citizen? If not, you cannot apply under the Dual Citizenship law. You would need for your mother to file a report of birth abroad for you, it must be filed at the Philippine embassy or consulate that serves the area where you were born.
It is likely that if you can get the report to be accepted at this very late time (it is supposed to be filed within 6 months of your birth), you can avoid the fines and penalties that have stacked up from your overstaying in the Philippines.
If your kids already have their Philippine passports, then you should have no worries. No need to go to the BI. If or when you and your kids leave the country, show both the US and the Philippine passports and no questions should be asked.
hi bob, my mother has dual citizen and has been here in the phils. for 5yrs.using her us passport when she entered phils.shes planning to go back to us.Is she overstaying already eventhough she has dual citizen?how much is the penalty?shes born in phils.
Hi Bob. My mom-in-law is 82 and a naturalize US citizen, and would wanna stay in Manila for good, so she said. But I’m pretty sure she would come back here in Cali. if she changes her mind. What steps should we do before buying her one way ticket? My in-laws plan are to have her stay in Manila for a year and come back in Cali. Will her citizenship be revoked if she overstays in Manila? That is one of my in-laws guess, that if she overstays in Manila she could lose her US citizenship and not able to come back. Then I said that, I know that for greencard holders they could revoke their residency if they stay more than 1 year in Manila. Please advice of the steps and determine if the in-laws statement is correct or incorrect. Thank you.
If your mother is a dual citizen, she really has no worries. The only thing is, it would have been best for her if she had shown both her US Passport and her Philippine passport when she entered the country. As it is now, have your mother go to the Bureau of Immigration with both passports and get everything straightened out. She will not be charged for overstaying, since she is a Philippine Citizen. If she does not have a Philippines Passport, she should get one before leaving, or she will be facing fines and penalties.
Thank you Bob. I’m just wondering if I still have to pay for overstaying though 🙁 In another website, they said this :
If an alien is a former Filipino, and had overstayed, he/she may apply for R.A. 9225. During his/her application, he/she must not leave the Philippines until his/her application has been approved. Otherwise, he/she will be charged for all lawful fines and penalties due for overstaying. Thus, only natural-born citizens of the Philippines who have lost their Philippine Citizenship by reason of their naturalization as citizens of a foreign country may retain or reacquire Philippine citizenship.
On the other hand, if an alien is not a natural-born citizen of the Philippines who have lost his/her Filipino citizenship, he/she cannot apply for R.A. 9225
I’m sorry for so many questions Bob 🙁
I was a former philippine citizen but i have an american passport but my birth certifcate is here in the philippines.. I believe my mother naturalized me when i was at either 2 or 3 years old.. Thanks Bob 🙂
Thanks much Sir Bob for your prompt reply! I feel alot better now! God Bless and more power to u as u continue to help those who are in need of ur help!
Hello Myrel – When you filed the report of birth you should have received a certificate of Philippine Citizenship. Did you get that? Yes, you should file for a Philippine Passport for your child. There should be no fees due for overstaying, since the child is a Philippine Citizen. Since the child is a Philippine Citizen, in the future you should use her Philippine Passport when entering the Philippines.
is it true that you have to pay 500 per month of overstay? that’ll be about 192,000 omg…
No Judith… all you have to do is file the report of birth abroad. Once you do that, your son is already a dual citizen.
Hi Daniel – To be honest, I don’t know enough about your case to know what the penalties may be. Also, because your question is not really about Dual Citizenship, you may get more of a response over at our other site, Your Philippine Visa, which is more in line with what you are asking. It’s more likely that somebody who will know the answer to your question would be found over there.
Hello Bob,
I am hoping you can give me some advice in regards to overstaying in the philippines. My us naturalized born father (born in the Philippines but u.s. naturalized has a current us passport) has been in philippines for almost 7 years. He unfortuenately did not keep up with his immigration paperwork to extend and file and to do the proper paperwork to “legally” have him there. I know there will be penalty’s and fees associated in trying to get this all straightened out. I know there are court fees, applications fees, research fees, a per month penalty fee of P500 I believe for each month. My question is if he goes to immigration to get this taken care of will they immediately take him as in take him to jail? Me and my 3 sisters who are all in the states what to get this straightened out. It’s a long story to why he has been there so many years but at this point we want to know what to expect from immigration. I know the dealings sometimes are a bit “shady” but we want to make his status right and get him back to the states. Please any input from you or anyone is needed. I know the longer he waits the more money it will be involved.
Her citizenship will never be revoked. The US Government makes it very difficult to get rid of US citizenship. They want those taxes, so they make it hard to get rid of your US citizenship. No worries about that. Really what she should do is apply for Philippine Dual Citizenship, then she could spend whatever time she wants in either country.
Hello Bob,
I hope you can help me with this.
My aunt is in USA at this time she is illegal there she is a filipina, i think she’s been in USA for 20 years.. She is married here in the Philippines.. Way back, before she left our country she had a big fight with her husband that led her to find new man in USA. Their love became serious that led them to have 2 children. After 5 years they’re decided to call it off since her lover will have to come back here in Philippines then the true husband of my aunt will go to USA and ask for her forgiveness. .. the 1 child brought with my aunt’s lover and the other child she sent it here to Philippines.. to us.. the child that time is I think 9 months.. we kept the child till now and she is already 8 years old.. she needs to go to school but then she is illegal in Philippines..and we don’t have proper documents.. her monther which is in USA now is still on her status..also illegal.. we only have the passport of the child and a letter that she is allowing us to take good care of her child.
We are afraid to consult to government they might prison us for that matter, we cannot also surrender the child since we love and we don’t want that she will get from us and send back to USA or maybe her mother will be prison in USA..until now the husband and the family is not aware what happened before that my Aunt had an affair to other man.
My concern is the child can we take the action of late registration? Or what can you advise to us..
Thanking you in advance….
A round trip ticket is never required. An ongoing ticket it. Two different things. For somebody with Philippine citizenship, no ongoing ticket is required, though.
Hi Bob! 🙂
I found your page as I am searching for answers and help.
Maybe you can help me.
My boyfriend, 22, born in Cebu is overstaying now in the Philippines. He is there since 2011, I guess July?! He went there from Germany with his mother and she just showed his german passport when they entered the Philippines (as he also have a philippine passport). So he has no Visa.
He wanted to come back to Germany last September. The people at the immigration in Cebu 1st said, that there’s no problem for him, leaving the Philippines. So he bought a one way ticket for Germany, coz he wants to stay here. But then they called him and told him, he can’t go back to Germany, coz he’s illegal now in the Philippines and have to pay his overstay.
They told him at 1st, that it’s ok, he don’t need a Visa, coz he’s born in the Philippines. Then they said, it’s like the same thing as he would enter the Philippines with an ‘Balikbayan Stamp’ and can stay for 1 year. He has to pay now his overstay for the time he’s longer there, than that 1 year. Is that true?! Even tho he is born in the Philippines?!
The immigration also told him, that they will arrange the ticket, so it will not be expired and all that money for that ticket won’t get lost.. I don’t know about that fact..
I really don’t know what to do and how I can help him.
Thank you for your help!
I would recommend that you consult an attorney.
Hi Bob! 🙂
I found your homepage as I am searching for answers and help.
Maybe you can help me.
My boyfriend, 23, born in Cebu is overstaying now in the Philippines. He is there since 2011, I guess July?! He went there with his mother and she just showed his german passport when they entered the Philippines (as he also have a philippine passport). So he has no Visa.
He wanted to come back to Germany last september. The people at the imigration in cebu 1st said, that there’s no problem for him, leaving the philippines. So he bought a one way ticket for Germany, coz he wants to stay here. But then they called him and told him, he can’t go back to Germany, coz he’s illegal now in the Philippines and have to pay his overstay.
They told him at 1st, that it’s ok, he don’t need a Visa, coz he’s born in the Philippines. He just need to show them his birth certificate. Then they said, it’s like the same thing as he would enter the Philippines with an ‘Balikbayan Stamp’ and can stay for 1 year. He has to pay now his overstay for the time he’s longer there, than that 1 year. Is that true?! Even tho he is born in the Philippines?! Now they told him, that he need to show them the birth certificate of his mother, to proof them, that he is the son of a Filipina. They also need the signification of her.
The imigration also told him, that they will arrange the ticket, so it will not be expired and all that money for that ticket might lost.. I don’t know about that fact..
I really don’t know what to do and how I can help him.
I’m looking forward for an answer from you und hopefully you can help me, us.
Thank you!
Thank you very much for your answer!
Yes.. I’m also very confused about the whole situation.. Something must be wrong in this whole thing.
Yes, he has both Passports, Philippine and German Passport, he just renews the Philippine Passport and he just showed his German Passport when he entered the Philippines.
So he should go again to the immigration and show both passports to them, that he don’t need to pay for the “overstay”? I really don’t know what to do.
He’s allowed to have both passports. Same as me, I also have a German and a Philippine Passport and I’m living in Germany. Coz if you’re born and one of your parents is a german and the other parent is for example a Filipino, you don’t have to give up one of these both citizenships. We are allowed to have both citizienships a lifetime. We became these dual citizienship by blood. I already checked the law very often if it’s really true. But they changed something for the newborn now, I guess.
But we usually don’t show that Philippine Passport at the airport in Germany. We usually show both when we enter the Philippines to get the Balikbayan Stamp. When we leave we show both Passports, but when we’re back in Germany we only show the German Passport. That’s how my parents told me to do..
Hi Ireen – I think there must be a lot of confusion on this, because there are a lot of inconsistencies in what you say.
Firstly, if your boyfriend has both Philippine and German Passports, there should be no fines for overstaying. It is impossible for a citizen to overstay. Now, if only his Germany passport was shown upon entry that will present some minor complications, but they can still be overcome. He should be able to simply show his Philippine passport and the fees will be waived, assuming his Philippine Passport is both current and legitimate.
When I mentioned about the Philippine Passport being legitimate, it is because Germany does not allow dual citizenship. Thus, I do not understand how he can be holding valid passports for Germany and the Philippines.
My minor child is a US citizen but she overstayed in the Philippines. I, her mother is a Filipino citizen. Will she be paying penalties? She has two passports
I mean even without the certificate?
She is dual even with the certificate?
They determine the citizenship of the holder of the two passports. In other words, the two passports prove that the person is both a US and Philippine citizen.
What will the Bureau of Immigration do to the two passports?
Hello Airah – When you say your child “has two passports” do you mean a Philippine and a US Passport? If so, your child is a dual citizen. As a Philippine Citizen, it is impossible for her to have overstayed in the Philippines, because she is a citizen and is entitled to stay as long as she wishes in the country. But, you did not show that she is a Philippine citizen when you entered the country, because you apparently did not show her Philippine Passport. So, penalties will be levied. However, you can avoid having to pay any penalties if you just go to the Bureau of Immigration with each of her passports and show that she is a Philippine Citizen. That will clear everything up for you.
I mean even without the certificate?
You said that she has 2 passports. If one of those passports is a Philippine Passport, she is a Philippine Citizen. The certificate doesn’t matter if she has the passport.
Hi bob. My child is born here in the Philippines then became a US citizen upon arriving the states base on her father’s US citizenship. then return to the philippines as a US citizen minor. And she still have the philippine passport used in leaving philippines. Does she need to pay penalty or she is already dual?
Hi bob. My child was born in the philippines then became a US citizen upon arriving the states base on her father’s US citizenship. then return to the philippines as a US citizen minor. And she still has her Philippine passport she used in leaving philippines. Does that make her dual and not pay penalties?
Did she become a US citizen through naturalization or through her father filing a “report of birth abroad”? If it was through naturalization, she relinquished her Philippine Citizenship and will have to pay penalties if she has overstayed in the Philippines. If she gained US citizenship through her father filing a report of birth abroad, then she is now a dual citizen, and no penalties will be due in the Philippines, but she will need to prove her Philippine citizenship to avoid the penalties.
Hello Bob.
My daughter was born in the USA (me and wife are both Filipino citizen) and we already acquired the “report of birth abroad” in the Philippine embassy in the US. After 3 months, we all went back here in the Philippines ,(my daughter using her US Passport as entry) it’s been 6 years now and we did not apply for a Philippine passport for her. Does the certification report of birth abroad enough proof for her being also a Filipino citizen and wont be penalize for overstaying?
We have plans this coming summer for an Asian tour, with her still using her US passport. Is there a fee that we have to pay at the BI or her US passport with the report of birth abroad enough for her be recognize as a Filipino citizen. Do we have to apply for her a Philippine passport?
im glad i found your site, because i do have some questions.
i’ve been in the philippines since july 2007 without exiting the philippines.
i’m a US & Philippine Passport holder.
when i arrived the philippines, they stamped my passport with a BB (nothing like 21day stay or 1 year).
i’m supposed to be going back to the states for a month in march 2014 and i’m concerned that i’ve overstayed. i processed my philippine passport in san francisco before coming here back in 2007 and i am dual citizen (even brought a container in under my dual).
my biggest concern is that when i fly back to the states, will i get hit with an overstay? and in the event i cant pay the fees when exiting the philippines, would i get blacklisted? or something. because i am based here in the philippines now and have no plans of living stateside anymore. again i repeat i live in the philippines and am just going for a visit for 1 month. i dont want issues coming back to the philippines.
any words of wisdom will be greatly appreciated.
You really need to get her a Philippine passport to avoid any problems.
Hope you can help me.
My son is u.s citizen and stayed in p.i for 5 years now, in planning to get him next year.
I called the philippine consulate here in hawaii and was told that I just need to report birth abroad to them since I wasn’t a naturalized u.s citizen yet when I gave birth.
but I know he cannot have a philippine passport yet coz he is in the philippines right now, I know we have to be both present when applying for a minor passport. Do I need get a philippine passport first before going to immigration to pay penalty of his overstayed or I dont have to pay penalty after I got his p.i passport? And also his u.s passport will expired this year.please help.
You should not have any problems. Just show both passports when you leave the Philippines and everything should go smoothly.
yes i did show my philippine passport when i entered, also my philippine passport is due to be renewed before i leave… do you think i will run into any issues leaving the philippines and then on my return coming back in the philippines.
and then when i leave for the states i just carry both my passports, correct?
thanks so much for the fast reply.
Since you are a Philippine citizen, it is impossible for you to overstay.
You did show your Philippine passport when you entered, correct?
m y mother is a canadian citizen and over staying for 9 months in the philippines and planning to go back to canada . is there a penalty and how much and where to pay ?
Either one will do.
So no penalty? Do I really need to get him a p.i passport or philippine citizenship certificate is enough?
If you can get a certificate of Philippine citizenship, that would suffice.
Hi, My sister is a U.S. citizen born in the Philippines but my parents took her back in the philippines for a period of time. She went to school there and have now overstayed there for over 3 years. What’s the best option for her to come back? I was told by my aunt that she could either apply for a dual citizenship or pay the penalties for overstaying. My parents, on the other hand, doesn’t have that much money for either options but I’m just trying to see if there is any other option other than the two I’ve mentioned because she was told she has to pay Php 60,000 before she could leave the country. I need more information and options. Please Help.
Hi Bob! When I entered in the Philippines I used my US Passport that was back 2010 and now it got expired. But before I left US I became a Dual citizen but did not apply for Philippines Passport. I’m Planning to renew my US passport and also get Philippines Passport because in 2015 I’m planning to go back to US. My question is, Is there going to be a problem at the Immigration at the airport when I leave Philippines since I over stayed here?
Yes, there are additional fines monthly.
Thank you so much. Is she still getting fine because she’s still over there? I don’t know if what I’ve read online is true that every month she’s there she’s getting fined every month, php500.
The information that your aunt gave is correct. There are no other options.
Hi I have a question that I’m confused about my child’s status and if she has overstayed in Philippines.
My daughter was born in the UK and I took her to Philippines when she was a few months old and entered on UK passport.
I took my oath to have my Philippines citizens as a dual citizenship, I believe its a RA 9225? In 2009 and I petitioned my daughter as my dependant.
I also reported late registration and birth of child abroad.
My problem is I took my daughter to Philippines in 2003 and she remained there till now but now I plan to bring her back to uk. What problems may I encounter and do I need to pay penalty fee for overstay?
She also goes to school there and has an NSO.
I’m in the process of applying for her Philippines passport.
Please advice me on what steps to take…
Many thanks
Jessica
Thanks Bob for the info and suggestion.
There probably won’t be any problems. Just for safety sake, though, I would recommending stopping by at the Bureau of Immigration office before your trip, show your two passports and make sure everything is in order.
Hello bob……. hope you can give me some advice….. I’m a American citizen…. and been here in the Philippines for 14years… my dad is a American citizen and my mom is a Filipino citizen until now but only my mom is alive cus my dad already passed away… i really want to go back to usa…. but how… i haven’t pay anything for my stay here.. what should I do?? Do i have to apply for dual or recognition or something?? Hope you would help…. thanks
hi bob
my name is rico and i was original born here in mnl and got my us citizen when i was 17
back in 2009 i went back here in manila and never apply for a dual citizen/..
will i pay a certain fee for overstaying or ill just apply for a dual citizen?
It is your choice, Rico. You can either pay the fine or get dual citizenship.
thanks bob now i feel relaxed thinking overstying for 5 yrs will get me bunkrupt
so all i need to do is apply for dual citizen.. thanks again
Hi Bob! I’m glad I found your site coz I do have question about my child planning to go in Philippines and leave her with her dad while waiting for her dad’s petition so they could come together.
My question is my daughter is born in US .Me and her dad are a filipino citizen. My daughter has two passport, Philippine passport and US passport because I applied her dual citizenship here in hawaii.
Does she need to present both of her passport upon departuring in US going to Philippines?
If she will have a vacation in Philippines for more than a year or more than years, Can she still come back here in US?
Is there anything that she will pay at the airport if she overstayed?
What does she need to present to come back here in US?
I hope you understand my question. Thank you. Hoping for your reply.
Hello Hazel – Given that your child has both a Philippine and US passport, she is already a dual citizen. When your child enters the Philippines, show both passports. When leaving the Philippines, show both passports.
When entering the USA, your child must show her US passport. There is no need or reason to show the Philippine Passport.
Your child can stay as long as she wants in the Philippines. There is no overstaying, because she is a citizen of the Philippines. So, she can stay as long as she would like to stay, and they cannot say she is overstaying.
No matter how long your child stays in the Philippines, she can always go back to the USA, because she is also a US citizen. She must keep her US Passport active, though, don’t let it expire. As long as she has an unexpired US passport, she can always return to, and be admitted to the USA, no questions asked.
Good luck to you and your daughter.
Thank you so much! I asked you about it because I am so worried if she can’t come back in US if she’ll go to Philippines.
But, what if I am a Permanent resident here in US (I have an alien card) how long can I stay in Philippines? I only have Philippine Passport. If I stay for more than one year can I still come back here in US?
Hello Hazel,
Under US Immigration policy, as a green card holder, if you leave the USA for longer than 6 months, they could cancel your visa and deny you reentry to the country. It is not guaranteed that they will do that, but they are allowed to do that, at the discretion of the Immigration official who checks you at the airport.
I arrived in March last year and I paid my visas extensions up to July 14th to include the I-card that I got. I have to leave 22 April but have overstayed around 9 months now. I’m not sure how much I should take with me to the BI for fines. I have my outgoing ticket already because I have a job offer waiting. The sites are confusing to me and it takes me a while to get to manila. Any idea on how much a rough estimate would be. I arrived on a tourist visa.
Hi baboy T – The fine for over staying is P500 per month.
– Plus P510 motion for consideration.
– Plus the extensions you should have paid including ACR-I card
– Plus all the missed express lane fees
– Plus a letter explaining the overstay
– Plus, if greater than 10 days, you will have a personal interview with a senior immigration official
– Plus if the overstay is long enough you may be deported and black listed
im francis i have overstay in philippines for 3yrs and i pay all the charges and the ask me to leave i want to know if i leave the country is it going to be easy for me to come back thank
Because you have overstayed for over 24 months, you will be deported and blacklisted. You will never be able to enter the Philippines again. Sorry for the bad news.
Hi Bob,
I’m really hoping you can clear things up for me.
I was born here in PI and my dad, who is a US Citizen, claimed my sister and I at the US Embassy. I have a CRBA. At the time of my birth (1990) my mother was and still is a Filipino Citizen.
In 1998 my dad took us to the US. I came back to PI as a minor
in 2007. I’m still in PI and I plan to go back to the US next month. I entered PI with my US passport and have never updated my status/visa. I’ve never had a Philippine passport ever.
Here are my questions:
1) I’m a dual citizen by birth, right?
2) If so, will I still have to pay overstaying fees since I entered with my US passport?
3) If ever I would need to pay overstaying fees, can I just file for dual citizenship/re-aquisition/recognition (which would apply to me?) to avoid such fees?
4) Since I have an NSO birth certificate, can I just get a Philippine passport without filing for dual citizenship and exit PI with both passports or would i still need to pay penalties?
I’d appreciate any help you can offer 🙂
Hi Ching, from everything you say, it sure seems to me that you are a dual citizen. You need to have some kind of documentation of both of your citizenships. For your US citizenship, you have a passport, which is great. For your Philippine citizenship, you really should have a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship, then you will be set.
Thanks a lot Bob!
Just one more thing, if I obtain a Philippine passport, that means I can go through the immigration at the airport with both passpports without paying for overstaying fees, am I correct?
Thanks for your time 🙂
Yes, that should be the case, Ching. Good luck.
Wonderful!
You’re awesome Bob!!!
Thanks again 🙂
Hi bob
I got in the Philippine in 2005
With the age of 14 i am now 24
I was born in germany my mom is a Filipino citizen and my dad is german citizens but my dad died in 2003
I’ve been overstaying for 10 years now
Is there still away that i can apply fir dual citizen and avoid all the overstay fee cause I’ve been trying to get back to Germany for years but having a complete hard time but i still got all my papers and that of my mom and dad
At the time of your birth, did your mother file a report of birth abroad at the Philippines embassy in Germany?
Hello
I was born and raised in the US and I do have my US passport, but it wasn’t until I was 22 when my mother applied for me to be a dual citizenship since I would be moving to the Philippines for college. After less than a year I went back to visit for 1 month in the US then returned back to Philippines. I used my US passport to enter because I did not yet receive my Filipino passport until I came back from my trip. I go to school here in Philippines and never had a visa because of having a dual…. my question—I will be leaving for Switzerland on Monday. I’m wondering if I will get charged any fees for “overstaying” since I had to use my blue passport. I will have to use the blue one as well to travel to Switzerland but I do have my brown one now. I also carry a cenomar stating my birth abroad. Will anything effect me when I travel since there is no stamp in the brown one? Am I overstaying? Thanks!
When you go to the airport for the trip and use your US Passport, also show your Philippine Passport. When you show that you also hold a Philippine Passport all overstaying fees will be waived.
God luck and enjoy your trip.
Hello,
My wife and 2 kids entered the Philippines 2013 with there US Passports and given a 1 yr visa, so currently they are overstaying at least 2 years now. My wife was born in the Philippines and the 2 kids are born in the US. Just recently my wife got her Philippine Passport renewed. My two kids finally got there dual citizenship last week. My questions are:
1. does my wife have dual citizenship since since has a US and Philippine Passport?
2. if not, does she need get a dual citizenship?
3. my 2 kids are now dual do they need to get a Philippine passport to be able to go back to the US?
4. Will my wife and 2 kids be charged with overstaying fees?
thanks
1. If your wife has two passports she is a dual citizen.
2. see #1.
3. No, but they will at least need a certificate of Philippine citizenship in order to leave the Philippines and not be assessed huge penalties for overstaying.
4. If your family shows their Philippine passports or certificates of citizenship all fines will be waived.
thank you so much. I’ll let you know how it goes when we go back to the US in October.
Hi bob!
I am Filipino married to American. I will be eligible to apply for my American citizenship in few months which will renounce my Filipino citizenship. Is there any way I could re-acquire or file for my dual citizenship while I’m here in States? Thanks in advance
Yes, absolutely. All you need to do is file for dual citizenship at any Philippine consulate or Embassy.
Hi bob, i’m a american citizen since 2014, but my philippine passport expired april this year. I’m planning to stay for good in the states this month but If i’ll use my us passport going out of the philippines how much am I going to be charge? btw, i’ve been here in the philippines for a year and 5 months. i was also born here. and my mom is a american citizen (filipino by birth) and my dad is a filipino with a greencard. thank you. i really don’t know what to do.
Why don’t you go get your dual citizenship? That way you can avoid all fines.
where can I apply for a dual citizenship? how long does the process take? thank you so much Bob.
In the Philippines it takes longer than if you do it abroad. I have heard of it taking from 2 weeks up to a year in the Philippines. Also depends on where in the Philippines. Fastest in Manila, obviously.
I was an american citizen before i knew i could be dual (if you’re born in the states then you get automatic dual if you’re born to filipino citizens not yet naturalized)
When I moved to the philippines to finish university, I came to Philippines using the american one and if I didnt have my philippine passport at the time I would have faced a serious charge of $2,000+ (I stayed for a year and returned to states to visit for 1 month) You should get a dual to prevent the fine
Bureau of Immigration office.
What about if I have dual citizen passport, Can I stay as long as I want Bob?
Hi Robert – Yep! If you have a Philippine Passport or a Certificate of Dual Citizenship, then nothing in this article applies to you! You can stay forever and never have to pay any fine! 🙂
I can’t remember if I have asked this, but can a balikbayan visa be directly converted to a resident visa or do you first have to downgrade it to a tourist visa?
Hi Kevin – I have heard of both cases happening. As always with the BI – they are consistently inconsistent (a phrase I stole from my friend Dave Starr).
We arrived in the Philippines last Jan. 2015 my husband entered on a Balikbayan Visa and on March 2015 he applied for 13A in Iloiolo City and was approved June 2015 for probationary 13A we will be applying for his permanent 13A next year. Hope that answers the Balikbayan question.
Some good advice there Bob ……. didnt it used to be 21 days allowed to stay if no visa on arrival in the Philippines ?
Hi Malcom. Yes, it used to be 21 days. About 3 years ago they changed it to 30 days.
Malcolm! YES it DID! It was 21 days free stay for tourist BEFORE! Now it is 30 days and if someone apply for an extension, the FIRST will be 59 days from the very first DAY he/she ARRIVED to the Philippines in his/her stay.
Bob, Just to clarify for you readers. If you do overstay and get blacklisted you can apply to be removed from the list provided you pay the outstanding overstay fees and have a person or family member submit a notarized letter to the Immigration Commissioner on your behalf. You will need to state your reasons for requesting such removal. This process will take anywhere from 6-12 weeks on a case by case basis. Hope this helps!
Indeed, you can request to be un-blacklisted. There is no guarantee, though. Better idea to just keep your visa up to date.
Hi Bob, Your comment under #2 in the Balikbayan Priveledge said ” You may convert your Balikbayan Privilege to a Tourist Visa and stay for another 36 months as outlined in the Tourist Visa section above.” Actually I found out by personal experience that when you convert the Balikbayan Priveledge to Tourist Visa, Bureau of Immigration counts from the date of latest arrival in the Philippines, so that “free” 12 months is deducted from your allowed 36 months on a Tourist Visa and you start counting at month 13 on your Tourist Visa application – date of last arrival back 12 months ago.
Hi John – Interesting that they did that, because I also know of cases where they did not do that. See my response to Kevin.. the BI is consistently inconsistent. 😉 Thanks for sharing that information.
Please Bob, don’t pass on this misinformation: under the LAW as it is written, the BB privilege is ONLY applicable if you and your wife have been out of the country for at LEAST one YEAR, not one day. See 1.a.i. http://www.immigration.gov.ph/faqs/visa-inquiry/balikbayan-previlege. I KNOW this is usually not how it’s applied, but your readers should know that there is a downside risk. And that an Immigration Officer would be acting entirely within his/her rights and within the law if they were rejected.
Other points:
1. There is currently a bounty system that pays informers ratting you out to Immigration if you have overstayed.
2. Until recently, there was an amnesty period for overstayers. A friend of mine and his wife resolved a five YEAR overstay. HUGE hassle, but it was fixed. Now I don’t know. But worth a try rather than be deported and blabklisted.
3 over the past year, Sigfied Mison and sveral of his subordinates have stated that Immigration will soon institute a program that after the 36 month tourist visa process is exhausted, the foreigner will have to return to his home country for three months. NO idea if this will ever be implemented, but my suggestion for anyone nearing 36 months is to go out NOW.
Nothing I said is “misinformation” Don. The BB Privilege is consistently and always has been handled that you can re-enter after a 24 hour absence. You have been living here long enough that I thought you would have already figured out that the way laws are written and they way they are implemented in the Philippines are not always the same. My goodness.
As for your other points:
1. Yes, there is, I never said otherwise. It is just another reason to keep your visa up to date.
2. “Until recently” means nothing, because as you say – it is no more. There was amnesty… that matters none, because the program has already come to an end.
3. There is no reason to speculate about something that ‘might’ happen in the future. We are talking about what the current policy is, not something that may never even happen.
There is now a mis UNDERSTANDING tjinking this 1 year as between BEING a balikbayan and “balikbayan visa”. A filipino is a balikbayan person IF he/she has been away from the Philippines at least 1 year and then comes back with a family who are foreign citizens who THEN are allowed for a balikbayan privilege in their passports for 1 year. I did asked this during my visits with my filipina wife and also WHEN I can enter the Philippines again after leaving the country. I was told:”You can do that with the next possible flight sir, but with your wife! Then you can have this privilege again for 365 days.”
So, where does it says about being away 24 hours? Just to make it sure, I mean! Following the laws is the ONLY option for us to avoid the problems. The worst I did heard in Pop65z channel he didn`t paid the fees for Immigration, was deported after arriving the country again after some months holidays back in USA and thinking to use his “balikbayan privilege” as travelling with his wife, but of course it wouldn`t happen anymore with his overstay. What he then said there at the airport “I have my rights as a US citizen!” 🙂 OMG! Thanks for an important article and thanks for the comments! Travel and stay safe!
Another misunderstanding is that you as a foreign citizen are allowed for this balikbayan priviledge ONLY if you are MARRIED to your spouse who is a citizen of RP! I have relatives, a couple who lived together more than 10th of years Filipina/Canadian, but not married. They spend every year 50/50 in Canada and Philippines. Only at the first time they traveled together to their home in the Philippines they were asked a document from magistrate that they are living together in the same address before the husband did get this balikbayan stamp in his passport. “Consistently inconsistent” or not but it works for them every year with any hassle or fees!
Yes, you are only eligible for the Balikbayan if you are married and if your wife is with you when you enter the country (flies in with you).
Hi Leo – Actually… you are partially incorrect. The Balikbayan Privilege is also applicable to foreigners who are married to FORMER Philippine Citizens. So, if your wife was a Philippine Citizen, but became naturalized in the USA or another country, you are still eligible for the Balikbayan Privilege.
The 1 year away rule is rarely (and I mean VERY rarely) enforced.
Just want to make sure that is clear.
Ok Bob! Not talking about my wife as we don`t have any problems in our balikbayan matters, just wanted to ask where do you find this 24hours absence rule to stay away from the Philippines before coming back for a new “balikbayan visa”? You are right about that 1 year time to stay away to “get a balikbayan status” even it is clearly written there. This all is as like what Dave Starr said in his very clear story about balikbayans…a mess! That`s why all the time have to check, check and again check that you for sure did understand it all right…from the page of Immigration. I only did tell how this all works with my relatives case for years and continuing even they still didn`t ever get married due some reasons which belong only for them. I don`t know about USA but we just follow the laws and orders of our 2 home countries Finland and the Philippines and avoid every problem we can.
Hi Leo – The information is from experience. I have been traveling to and visiting the Philippines for 26 years, and in practice, if you leave the country and return in as little as 24 hours, the practice is that they will issue you a new Balikbayan Stamp.
So, let me be clearly understood…you NEED N O T to me MARRIED to get this balikbayan stamp into your passport, if you only can prove that you are in a relationship with your filipino spouse male or female.
Leo – I am sorry,my friend but you are completely wrong. You ABSOLUTELY MUST be married to legally get a Balikbayan Stamp.
Bob! No broblem with me and asawa ko, we are happily and legally married, I just said what is a surprising fact for my relatives too..I was so surprised also, but as did find out in their case as they can witness with a document of Canadian magistrate they are a non-married couple living together they have travelled with this Balikbayan priviledge for MORE than 10 years without any hassle. Which one I have to believe? My own eyes for that stamp in the Canadian passport or you? One thing more…only in the Philippines, and I could tell a couple more of travelling in the Philippines or what a suitable sum of pesos can do there if needed. As THIS case has NOT anything to do with this, better save for a private conversations for the subject “Overstay”. I don`t want to argue so I stop this yes, no, yes conversation not showing you as a new “Ed” Ho ho ho from Finland! Merry Christmas and God bless Santa& elves! 🙂
Your right Bob. We just went through all that about a year or so ago.
Thanks, Rusty.
Bob;
My friend passed away, then it was found out that he’d been here for over 25 years with no type of visa or even a US Passport (He arrived in the 1980’s as active duty military under the Status of Forces Agreement with orders and his military ID) Then his family in Texas wanted to ship him home for burial. That never happened and he is now interned in the US Military Grave Yard on the old Clark Air Base because of the paperwork and fines required to ship his remains home. But I don’t think he would have even cared.
Wow, Paul, that is fascinating! A real unique situation there. I had never even thought of such a situation!
A trip to immigration here can either be a relatively quick an easy experience or it can be a nightmare. Ever since I was advised to go on a Thursday it has been easy. Half the amount of people for some reason. Also depends on who serves you.
Once you have been to immigration a few times you will learn who is friendly and who is the foreigner hater! lol
Simply wait until the friendlier person is behind the desk and it will be simple.
Grumpy one will fire angry questions at you as if you are a serial killer.
Hopefully be christmas my daughter will be dual citizen and by May I will be permanent resident here. It’s not easy and the rules always change but it’s worth it. Isnt hard to report once per year.
Bob, once my daughter is a dual citizen, must she do her yearly report? Surely not.
Pays to ask because even immigration officials will contradict each other and give us foreigners or “aliens” different answers! lol
Hi Adam – Once your daughter is a dual citizen there is no need for her to ever go to the BI again. In fact, it would be impossible for her to do an annual report after that, because she will no longer have an ACR card or any Visa documentation. 🙂
It is true that there are a lot more people at the immigrant office after a holiday, on a Monday, or Friday. Which is true world wide.
Try to go towards the middle of the week unless there is an approaching or preceding holiday. In which case you’ll have to drive to Manila. If the Manila office is closed someone will be with you when the office opens again but not sooner than 24hrs after you have filed a complaint with the proper office. Unless there is a holiday……
Just follow the laws and pay the small fees when your supposed to.
Rusty
I assume they also extend the period to 36 months, I was under the impression it was 18?
That was changed about 3 years ago, Will. You can now extend a tourist visa to 36 months.
Hi Bob, for p310 pesos a year I get to live here in the Philippines all I have to do is go
To immigration once a year, I call that a bargain ,yes immigration officers do track down
Over staying foreigners but why all the hassle when it’s so cheap to live here legally,
Yes Bob less than £5. British pounds a year absolute bargain, Derek in pasig.
My feelings exactly, Derek! Why put yourself through the hassles of overstaying when it is so cheap and easy to stay here legally! You would not believe how many people email me every day in serious overstay trouble! Sometimes I hear from 15 or 20 people a day who need help due to overstaying! Not a smart thing to do!
Bob, Thanks for the info. I currently have a 5 year Resident ACR-I card, which I had received in August. No one, either in Manila, nor here in Mindanao advised me that I had to file a yearly report. My wife and I both were under the impression that I was good until the card expiration. Glad that we can head off the mess !!! Thanks again !
You’re welcome, Robert. You know what? The same thing that you describe happened to me when I moved here. Nobody told me anything about an annual report, and for the first few years I did not report. I had some fines to pay, but thankfully it was not too much. 🙂
Bob:
What I always find amusing is the people who seem to get into these messes always seem to be the same people who loudly carry on about illegal immigrants in the places they come from.
I never understood how people can get so far behind on this stuff. Compared to most places, the Philippines is extremely easy as far as being able to stay here (many, many countries limit things like visa runs and extensions). For example: Try overstaying in Singapore. If you are caught, you receive deportation and fines like here. You also receive a prison term and caning (I forget how many strokes, but it is certainly not something you want to mess around with). It is also cheap compared to many countries…. there really is no excuse to getting so far behind.
At immigration, I have never been treated with anything but courtesy.
The solution is simple. Just do what you are supposed to do.
Hi John – You are so right! I would agree that the same people that you hear complaining about illegal immigrants in the USA are often illegal here themselves! Ha ha.. doesn’t make much sense to me. Like you say, it is both easy and cheap to stay in the Philippines compared to most other countries, so why not do it legally?
Another thing I notice is that the people who overstay and get themselves in trouble then complain that the BI is ripping people off by charging fines and penalties! If they had kept current in the first place, they would not have any penalties to pay at all!
Yep… 100% correct. Yes, the BI can sometimes be a bit slow, or a bit bureaucratic. However, I’ve never really encountered any problems there. If something is not clear, I simply ask politely and am directed to where I’m supposed to go.
I think some of the griping is related to the long list of fees (most of which are really small). The one that always seems to get people in a tizzy (and I get tired of hearing about) is the “express fee”. Yes, it is probably a remnant of older policies. OK. So what? It is part of the overall fee. If they eliminated the “Express” line item, does anyone seriously think that the visa fee overall would not increase to compensate?
I wonder how many foreigners would rather pay the thousands of $$$ Filipinos pay to stay legally in the USA or Europe (When I worked in the UAE, it cost my company over $6,000 for my visa. In Korea, it was nearly $3,000)? Or deal with the stacks and stacks of redundant paperwork, all of which requires time and authentication. Not very many, I would suppose.
That $10 express fee and $6 annual report fee don’t start looking so bad.
It all comes down to this, John.. I have always found that the BI people treat you pretty much the way that you treat them. If you are rude, so are they. If you are nice, you get no problems from them.
Amen to that….said the same in the Holy Bible too… 🙂 “Do unto others….”
Yep, it sure is!
I was one or two days over on my visitor visa in 2012. I had been in the hospital for a week with pneumonia so I had to change my return plans. When I got to the Immigration officer at NAIA when departing I had all the hospital documents ready and was prepared to pay any fine.
When the officer looked at my passport he hesitated and then motioned for another officer or supervisor to come to his booth. After a few minutes no one showed up so he just stamped it and that was that. I didn’t say a thing and neither did the officer.
I am sure situations like this could come up and delay your leaving the country on schedule. Just have any and all documentation ready and be prepared to pay if necessary. I consider myself lucky.
Hi Bob – It doesn’t surprise me that they waved you through, because you are a frequent visitor and have a clean immigration record in those visits. What I am talking about is people who have overstayed for years, not a situation like yours.
Glad it worked out for you! It keeps you coming back again!
Hi Bob,
I have lived here since 24dec 2014 and plan on leaving near the end of the typhoon season because the flights are cheaper then, then the next 3 years I will make it a week earlier. I go to the immigration office where I live 1 week before my tourist visa is due that way if there is any unexpected delays I have time to sort them out!
I was in immigration the first time and someone had not been in for he 59 days to extend his visa but all that happens was he was told to pay the month he missed and an extra amount he was having his house building he tried to do some work himself and hurt his back! Lol!
Why not just go in and say he forgot it’s a very plausible excuse!
Best Regards,
James.
The consequences that I am talking about go into effect if you are long overdue, not just days. Even if you “forget” the penalties are the same.
Some very informative and extremely valuable and clear information that all should adhere too in order to avoid the ultimate consequences. Thanks!!!
Thanks, Robert.
That begs a good and proper question!
When the legal wife incurs onerous debts mostly unbeknown to the husband and certainly without his consent an/or frauduently engaging his signature and trust?
Thereafter the husband is hounded by the wife’s creditors and threatened with deportation solely due to the miscreant wife activities.
While surely grounds for legal civil action by the husband against the legal wife on numerous grounds, the husband is hounded and threatened with deportation by the wifes’ creditors.
To what extent is the husband actually liable in the Philippines for the miscreant wife? Yes you may respond “consult and attorney”, but in LiP context – is the husband really subject to deportation because of what the wife did?
Hi Ed,
I am sorry, but I can only say these two things:
1. This article is about overstaying, not debt.
2. To be honest, I know nothing about deportations due to the debt of the wife. I don’t owe anybody any money, neither does my wife… and we like to keep it that way.
Sorry I can’t really help!
Thanks for replying Bob, and I appreciate that you fortunately have no personal knowledge about the possible repercussions of debts incurred by the legal wife. Still, I submit that it’s an extremely salient question and concern in context for all x-pats “Living in Philippines”. Might you break my query out into its own thread so that perhaps others might comment in precise context?
Hi Ed – As I have no knowledge on the issue, it really is not possible for me to write an article on the topic. If you would like to write an article on the issue and submit it to me, I can publish it. Then people can comment. Let me know if you want to do that.
Bob, actually this _is_ a question precisely salient to your VISA thread.
In short, can the legal wife incur debts such as to cause deportation of the husband? Even if the husband does everything right by the book with Immigrations, annual reporting, paying the fees, keep address up-to-date, et al.
Hi Ed – The topic of my article is overstaying, not deportation. Debt has nothing to do with overstaying.
Sorry Bob, seems I read “deportation” too many times in your article, hence my posted query in that context. I respect your reply that you just don’t know, but should I discover anything useful and possibly true I will send it to you.
True, but debt incurred by the wife may have some bearing on possible deportation, even if the “alien” does everything absolutely right by the book. Hence my question – you wrote “deportation” so many times as to bring the issue to my attention, especially given the obscene threats of my wifes’ misbegotten creditors, some of whom have been positively identified as Davao gangsters.
Ed, as I said clearly already, the article is about OVERSTAYING. One of the penalties over overstaying is deportation. You can get deported for committing murder too, but this article is not about murder… nor is it about your wife borrowing money. The article is not about deportation.. that is just a consequence of what the article is about. Can we move on?
We can “move on” but I submit that info about how one might be deported without any fault of the visa-holder other than by marriage, may be something people should be aware of – if that’s the case. If not true, then people should be aware of the scam.
There are lots of things one can be deported for, Ed. I don’t seem to be able to help you understand though that the topic of this article is not deportation! The article is about overstaying.
I understand that Bob, but you included the word “deportation” so many times in your article as to make me consider and post as I did.
As I mentioned, I have no problem that you consider that a separate topic and wish to treat it as such, and as wrote in other responses to you here I will be happy to forward any reliable info (such as from BI or my attorney) for your posting here. I can’t promise when I might obtain such. My purpose for mentioning it on LiP was that perhaps you or someone may already have those answers, since you jogged my mind on such.
If not, I will contribute what I might learn down the long road in the Philippines.
Ed, have you ever heard the term “let sleeping dogs lie”?
Yes Bob, but with all due respect, I *asked* about a serious issue that might depending on situation adversely impact legal residents, especially those looking to your websites for advice. I respectfully submit that it may well an important chapter or perhaps a book about liabilities that you may care to research and write. Or not. I will contribute as I might discover in time.
With that I will let the “dog lie”, even though not sleeping. Others may however need to know.
I will try and answer your question, Ed….
You need a lawyer
When you are married in the Philippines, it is much like marriage anywhere else in the world…. Spouses are liable for some debts, and not liable for others. The reason you need a lawyer is that there are a thousand variables and “what ifs”.
One thing that I do know about Philippine law is that if a civil suit(or criminal charges) is filed in court against you by a creditor, that creditor can ask the court to request the BI to issue a departure hold order against you , preventing you from leaving the country until the legal case is resolved. This is actually pretty common in civil cases involving foreigners. This is actually the opposite of deportation….
In other words, if you are in a legal mess, you need to consult a lawyer. There are too many variables for anyone to get any reasonable answers from LiP or any other web site.
Thanks John for your kind well-reasoned and helpful response.
I don’t have a legal mess *yet*, but I’m trying to ascertain the limit or extent of my liability for what someone *else* does. I think you’re right, I need to consult an attorney and will be doing so.
My concern isn’t being prevented from leaving. I have no intention of leaving. What’s important is that I may be permitted to continuing following the rules and laws and be a good resident and father to my 5 young kids and that someone *else* doesn’t cause us harm through no fault of mine.
Not a big problem. Get a good attorney. That and a dog collar..
Rusty
ed,
can you read?
the author of the article (bob martin) said many times he can’t help you on the information that you are seeking.
ridiculous.
Ha ha.. he can’t seem to understand!
Yes Igbalfa I can read. Perhaps you have some issue reading. I didn’t specifically ask Bob Martin to provide any definitive legal guidance,. Instead I raised an issue that immigrants might need to consider depending on their individual situation, but querying what general legalities might apply – all in general keeping with the thrust of Bob’s we sites.
bob,
i do have a question that you will know the answer to unlike ed’s unnecessary rambling:
if you are a dual citizen living in america and plan on visiting the philippines for a few months, when you arrive in manila, what would you show at the airport when you enter and then leave the country?
the philippines passport to enter and leave and then when you arrive back to america the american passport?
Hi lbalfa – If the dual citizen has a Philippine Passport and a US Passport, then what I would recommend is to show BOTH passports whenever entering or leaving the Philippines. If the person does not have a Philippine Passport, then they can show their US passport and their certificate of dual citizenship. Both will work fine.
One thing to keep in mind is that under US law, any person who is a US citizen MUST show their US passport when entering the USA, so be sure to do that.
thanks for the reply back.
Any time!
“lgbalfa” if you consider my original ands ingular query for general commentary “unnecessary rambling” then surely you are guilty of the same. Perhaps you do not understand the nature and purpose of any public forum. It’s generally to facilitate questions and possible positive dialogue between global participants sharing their knowledge and experience.
While on Bob’s web site, Bob has proper and reasonable rights to use anything anyone posts on his sites, Bob has zero obligation to be an omniscient responder to all queries. If Bob knows I\ve experienced that Bob will answer. If Bob doesn’t know he clearly says so, as he did in this case. I respect that. You obviously don’t and you obviously don’t understand the purpose of a forum. Sigh. Learn dude. Maybe at some point some of us can help you or maybe you might even at some point help some of us. That is the nature and purpose of a forum.
the visa’s here are so easy i am not sure why anyone would do this, now thailand is a bit of a different story
My feelings exactly.
So if i leave for hong kong after 34 months, and come back, I can start the whole thing over again. I mean, I dont have to wait until the 36 months to the day ends to restart the process right?
You can leave anytime you want, of course you don’t have to wait 36 months.. after you leave, as long as you are gone one day you can return anytime you want and stay up to another 36 months.
Ahhh soo!!!
Bob…Help!
Sometime after Feb. 2016, I will be coming for the first time to the Philippines…here is my questions and I have not read the comments yet, so sorry, if it was answered already.
If I wish to stay the 36 months on a tourist visa, should I purchase the “throw away ticket” like other people on YouTube claim?…So a one way ticket to Manila and then the connecting flight to Roxas airport in CAPIZ. Then the throw away ticket to Malaysia? (Seems to be the cheapest I can find @ under $100.00 American and just keep buying another ticket every time I have to renew visa?…is this right?
Since I have not flown since getting out of the Army many years ago, I don’t know if I can keep rescheduling a round trip flight?…am I missing something here?
Hi Dan – In order to enter the country you will have to have an ongoing ticket. A ticket that goes anywhere as long as it is outside the Philippines. You can do much better than $100 or so. You can usually get throw away tickets for $50 without much effort, and I have seen them for as low as $20. The cheapest throw away tickets are for flights out of Clark, so don’t buy one flying from Manila. Air Asia, Tiger and a few others are the low price airlines.
You only need a throw away ticket one time, when you arrive. There is no need to keep buying throw away tickets when you renew.. they won’t ask for an ongoing ticket at that time.
Good luck.
Wow, thanks Bob! This site has given me so much information!…
This cleared up some concerns I also share regarding ‘Throw away tickets’ . Living on fixed US Goverment Disability income makes traveling 9000 miles seemingly impermissible, any ‘Round trip’ ticket of such distance nearly taps out my monthly income. Thus, my original Two-year plan. It began in or around July 2014. First I needed thorough research and source for facts. THANK YOU BOB. Your websites and forums have provided an abundance of useful information, particularly Visa related. However, your dedication, staff and timely articles, have helped me in so many ways to better understand holidays, language, structure, culture, health care and my fiance lol. Well, WOW Thank you. I had no idea the value of buying a box of chocolates and a teddy bear online. Just to be clear a cheap throw ticket to anywhere anytime after arrival will suffice and be most cost effective. My plan is coming together. In Feb, I will purchase one way ticket Tampa-Manilla for end of May early AM arrival and a throw away dated within my original 30 day stay to be safe and law abiding. My current understanding is that there are regular daily flights Manila-Gensan which is my destination. At one point I considered purchasing this flight in advance also, however considering possible delays in flight, luggage, customs, general lack of familiarity with immigration procedures etc.. My plan now is to purchase after formalities.
Hi Jeff – Thank you for the nice things you said! I appreciate that. I am glad that you have found my various sites to be helpful.
Everything that you are planning is feasible and in my view a good way to go. I don’t see any pitfalls.
You are correct, there are regular daily flights between GenSan and Manila, and I don’t think you will have any problems booking such a flight.
I wish you the best of luck on your journey, and feel free to ask any further questions that may pop into your mind!
Bob,
It is cheaper for me to leave from Cebu and then fly to Las Vegas than leaving from Manila and then flying to Las Vegas. How about the person flying from Tampa to GenSen? Is GenSen short for General Santos?
Anyway what if he flew directly to GenSen if that is in Mindanao?
Rusty
Indeed, GenSan is General Santos City. The airport in GenSan handles no International flights. The only Mindanao location with International flights is Davao, and that is only between Davao and Singapore.
Bob,
Does Davao have an international airport? I would imagine that it does.
Smaller cities like has an international airport. Even Pangloa, which is an island that connects to Bohol, is building an international airport.
Rusty
Yes, Davao has an International airport. Lots of places in the Philippines have “International” airports, but there are no international flights. As far as I know, the only place in the Philippines with any International flights are Manila, Clark, Cebu and Davao.
Thanks Bob. I did a quick research on the guy who emailed you, and you responded to, on a flight from FL and directly to Davao. To fly directly to Davao it would cost $180 more than flying first to Manila. I don’t know what the fare is from Manila to Davao. Probably the same.
Anyway he, and you, probably knows this but maybe not. Oh, my internet fee research is $99.99. Ah being retired is nice.
Rusty
I looked up throw away ticketing online, but how does this apply when you are leaving the Philippines, and how can you leave for $50? Please explain, I’m new to this. Thanks
Philippine immigration requires that you have an ongoing airline ticket if you are arriving on a tourist visa or waiver. You cannot enter the country without an ongoing ticket. If you are planning to stay long term, you just buy a very cheap ticket taking you anywhere – you don’t care where it goes as long as it is outside the Philippines. When you enter the Philippines, you show this ticket to meet the ongoing ticket requirement. After you show the ticket, you just throw it away because you never intended to use it anyway.
You can often find cheap tickets to Vietnam or other nearby places for $50 or $20 for a one way ticket on a cheap airline. You don’t intend to fly on the ticket anyway, you just intend to throw it away, and that is what you do with it. That is why it is called a throwaway ticket.
So, you reapply for the visa extension again, and it doesnt matter if the ticket was for a week or a month after your arrival I guess.
The only thing that matters is that you must have an ongoing ticket. Once you show it you will never need it again. They never ask for the ticket after your arrival, when you are extending or anything like that.
Just be sure that you go to the Immigration for apply your Visa extension within the free tourists stay in the Philippines (30 days, but be there a few days before than later!) Follow the laws, pay the fees…and enjoy your stay!
Greetings, I have been living here for a couple of years, I receny have been caring for my Filipino son, and have let my visa (not my allotted 36 month stay) laps by a couple of weeks. I’m pretty concerned. I just recently employed a yaya (police clearance et all) that was a hard process. I am a cruise ship employee so it’s ik for me to take extended time off. I’m hoping I can go to immigration this morning with my passport (renewed here incidentally) my child’s passpor (affidavit showing I am principle guardian) and the Yaya agency paperwork to show why I’ve let it lapse over 6 months. I have registered lease, bill receipts, NBI cleared bank account. I’m in good standing other than I’m about 8 days over 6 month VISA stay. I’m concerned about being detained or deported, goodness, I need to come home to my kid. Other than a “good luck” any more advice as to how I should approach immigration other than the truth obviously?
If you have overstayed only by 8 days you don’t need to worry. Just go to the BI and pay the overstay fines, you will not be detained for an 8 day overstay. If you let it go for a long time, though, then you will be facing problems, so just go take care of this now.
Actually, it’s 8 days over the six month questionable period. I’m going to go take care of it asap and throw myself on their mercy. I’m a single dad and only the last 2 weeks have I been able to find a proper yaya I can leave him with. I’m deep in QC, of course I should have dragged him along, but alas, I didnt. I will update later today to let folks know what happened.
Whatever you do, don’t let it go past 12 months overdue, because if you do that means automatic blacklisting! You don’t want that!
I was sure I was under 6 months, I’ve been here on and off for a few year, never had it elapse this long. I am literally on my way there now. Yes, regardless of affluence or family, 12 months seems to be the point of no return. I see know why people let it keep getting worse, I’m actually pretty nervous about this. I know the front line immigration officer pretty well, I hope he steers me to the path of least resistance. I shouldn’t have taken it for granted how nice they are cause it might not be such a nice experience today.
Not bad, two hours, 18,500 peso including ACR-I and a notarized Motion for Reconsideration. I was grilled though and it might have not gone so well if it wasn’t evident I’m the principal caregiver of my son. I am to pick up passport next week with possible renewal of 18-36 month stay. I only applied for the standard 2 month tourist visa as not to push my luck. All in all, not worth the overstay by any means.
Glad to hear that you got it all worked out.
My dad is a naturalized citizen. He typically goes back and forth to Guam for before his balikbayan visa expires. His health has been failing and I thought he has been adhering to the balikbayan visa deadlines only to find out he has not returned to Guam in over 10 years. During that time, he became clausterphobic and feared flying in planes. I plan to go back to the Philippines to help him pay his fees and dues. My ultimate goal is to move him to Virginia to live with my sister.
What should I expect to pay? How much? And how long do you think the process will take? I want to come to the Philippines prepared as possible to rectify this dilemma. He currently lives in Panay so we will have to fly to Manila to go to BOI.
Are there any papers that I need to bring? or sign in advance?
Thanks a bunch!
Bob, My daughter has a dual citizenship (papers are with her) but she came in on her American Passport (never thought to show both). She is in Davao for college. She arrived on October 16th. Is it necessary for her to go into immigration to register (or present) her dual status in order to change her status of record?
This should not be a problem. All she needs to do is show both passports when departing the country and all penalties will be voided. If she has no Philippine passport she can show a certificate of dual citizenship or a certificate of recognition of Philippine citizenship.
Wow, lots of replies! I can offer some info regarding the Balikbayan program for returning Filipinos (also applies to Former Filipinos). The original program was instituted to encourage Filipinos who’ve immigrated to return to their home country to visit (and spend money). There was a proviso that the returning Filipino had to be out of the country for a minimum of one year before they could take advantage of their Balikbayan privilege.
Then on 4 june 2001 the Commissioner of Immigration Andrea D. Domingo informed the Department of Foreign Affairs that, “All Immigration Officers at authorized ports of entry shall grant the benefits and privileges to all Balikbayan and former Filipinos included every time they enter the country to visit, regardless of their frequent travel”. This means that Filipinos and former Filipinos could now avail of the Balikbayan benefits and privileges regardless of the number of times they enter the country within a year. This office directive could be rescinded at any time, but it is still in effect until today, 14+ years after first published.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge on this, Ron. Greatly appreciated.
bob, I have overstayed. What if I get recognized as a filipino citizen? Will I still have to pay my fees?
It is impossible to overstay if you are a citizen, so if you become recognized as being a Philippine Citizen, there are no fines, because that would mean that you did not overstay.
Hi how many days does it takes for visa over stay to out does it take months
I am sorry, I really don’t know or understand what you are asking. Did you make a typo? “How long does it take for a visa overstay to out?” What do you mean by “out”?
I applied for my extention of visa for over staying last week so am asking how does takes usually?
No way of knowing, it varies based on the workload at the office where you applied. Have you asked them how long, they would be the people who know.
I apply in Manila last week Tuesday
OK, then call them or go to the office and ask them when it will be released. I have no way of knowing how long, check with them,
About a year. Unless it is a political year. In which case the offices close every other day. If there is a national holiday that year then one could blame the hold up on Paul.
Seriously, I Googled the poster’s question. 3 months, or the following day, seemed to be the best answer.
The difference between 3 months and one day is very significant, thus answering the question is a waste of time.
Am so worried because they are saying I should check online for my name the last time they posted was dec 29 2015
Not surprising, with the holidays I am sure that they are running behind.
Hello bob i would like to ask how if i am seperated to my korean hubby i move back again here in pi i bring my korean citizen daughter last 2012 and i only pay 1 month extention visa before now i plan dont go back korea bec we seperated my daughter is.living with me until now she 5 years old going o prep school. I only hVe korean english translate birthcertificate
Do i gonna have a big prob bec i dont pay anymore on my daughter stay bec we not going back to korea shes not going back there. And how can i get her a philipine birth certificate… we are here since 2012 dec …
Yes, you will owe a lot of money in fines for her overstaying.
You have two choices, as far as I can see:
1. Pay the fines.
2. File for dual citizenship for your daughter and the fines will go away.
Thanks Bob. You reminded me that I need to go in to renew/update my resident visa. Pay the 310 pesos.
I got blacklisted but my wife hired a lawyer and got me back in. I wasn’t able to re-enter for 3 months.
Actually i’m overstayed for 2 years , is there any that i can get a visa if i pay my penalties without leaving the country
I am sorry, but if you overstay by more than 24 months you are deported and blacklisted, you won’t be able to come back. I know of no way to avoid this, other than not overstaying that long.
Bob,
I wonder how many of those that have overstayed their visa complain about someone overstaying a visa in the US/another country?
Rusty
I have wondered the same.
Hi bob ! Im a french guy and im on siargao for 2 month but i extended my visa and is done at 02 june 2016 and me i have a plane at 03 june 2016 …. for 1 day they can jail me or i can pay a overstay for 1 day at cebu airport ?? Thank you
It depends on when you arrived in the Philippines. If you have been here 3 years, and will go over 3 years by 1 day, you could be jailed, because you cannot extend beyond 3 years. If you have been here less than 3 years, you will be allowed to extend for 2 more months to satisfy the 1 day overstay.
Maybe you just go to immigration before your flight..before your visa gone old! It`s not anymore valid to do that at the AIRPORT! Just to avoid bigger problems….
That is exactly correct.
Ok thank you guys !
But look i arrived in cebu 04 april 2016 and my visa is done at 02 june its 59days here and i have my plane for osaka 03 june , if i go to the immigration i have to do an ACR card and staff for 1 little day …. damnn i cant do somethings else ?
For an overstay of one day you have 2 choices. You can extend for an additional 59 days or you can change your airline ticket to leave earlier.
Ok thanks !
BOB, I am wanting to go to the Philippines and stay for two months as a visitor.. Do I need a valid reason other than I just want to be submerged in the local culture and help a friend with some home repairs? I’ll be renting a local apartment in a rural area for my stay, her and her family will be staying with me as we do the repairs on her home. I will not be getting paid, only as volunteering and likely supporting them as well.. The opposite of getting paid actually lol… Looking for good advice since going w/o a visa is only 30 days. Should I just go on my passport and get a visa there? Since the home is in Don Carlos WAY SOUTH island of Mindanao closer to Davao. Can I just land in Manila and go right to the embassy and get an extension, or do I have to go back to Manila after 28 days or so to start the process? Other questions are what should I expect to pay and how long should I expect to stay while doing that. IF that’s the way to do it. I live in Houston, Tx. apparently we don’t have a consulate here. I’m assuming one has to be present to obtain a visa.
Hi James – You are relying on a number of things here that are incorrect or outdated information. Let’s go through your situation on a point by point basis:
1. You don’t need, nor will you be asked for a reason. Just come and enjoy your stay.
2. If you arrive without a visa you will be issued a 30 day “visa waiver”. This visa waiver can be extended for up to a maximum stay of 36 months in the Philippines.
3. Yes, given your situation that you describe, I would recommend just showing up with your passport and getting the 30 day visa waiver.
4. You don’t go to any Embassy to extend your visa. You do it at the Bureau of Immigration.
5. There is no need to travel to Manila to extend your visa, you can do it at the Bureau of Immigration Office in Davao City.
6. The first renewal of your visa waiver will cost you about P3,000 (roughly $70). It will take only an hour or so.
7. No worries that there is no Embassy or Consulate in Houston, you don’t need to go to one anyway.
Good luck, enjoy your trip!
Thanks Bob, but I guess the one thing still unclear is can I just pay for the waiver in advance and stay a full 60-68 days? I say 68 days because I’ve read the first waiver is 30 days the next one is 38 days.. That could be outdated info as well. I’ll be staying around Don Carlos a good 8 hour round trip to any BOI, Davao or Cagayan de Oro kinda in the middle of anywhere.. I think I’d rather just stay an day in Cebu and do it there. In fact I’ll be staying the night there or Manilia, where ever I decide to stay for a rest I’d have time or options to schedule a flight later if I can just take care of the weiver up front rather than in the middle of my trip. Regards,
James
Hi James – When you keep mentioning about a “waiver” I don’t really know what you are talking about, I have never heard of a waiver before. I don’t think it exists. I am thinking that maybe you are talking about a visa extension, am I right?
When you enter the country, the visa waiver is good for 30 days. The first extension is good for 29 days. There has never been a “38” days “waiver” or visa extension, it just has never existed.
If you are staying in a remote area, after you enter the country, get the extension, as you say, nothing wrong with that. I don’t see any problems with anything you said, other than the time frame (30 plus 29 days not 68 days).
Good luck.
Thanks again Bob, I used the term waiver because you said when one lands they get a waiver “Yes, given your situation that you describe, I would recommend just showing up with your passport and getting the 30 day visa waiver.” I guess I misunderstood, yes I’m talking about an extension to that waiver I guess. I got that infor from “Badladz” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVQOtp8CjW0 Where he says “So the first one is 21 days. You travel, make sure you’re at another Immigration office, then you extend for another 38 days. After that, you can extend 2 months at a time, for up to 16 months without leaving the counry. A little bit of money, and you can extend your visa. Then you can request a waiver, which is very easy to do, and extend every 2 months for up to another 6 months. So you can basically stay in the philippines for 2 years, on a tourist visa. ” So yeah lots of misinformation out there, however this is an old video 2012, So I’m very happy to have found your blog! Let me just ask you, if I should overstay from the 59 days, would I be charged for another month? I’m afraid 59 days might not be enough for my project, 68 days would be enough for sure. What would be the penalty and is there any risk of being blacklisted, or denied re entry. I’m worried I might run a day or 3 over 59 days. Sorry for my confusion. Thanks again!
Regards, James
If you need to stay for 68 days then you will have to 9ay the 59 and then pay for an additional 59.
James!
As you already did find yourself, Badladz 2012 information is too old as immigration changed their rules a long time ago! That`s why we every time travelling to Philippines just HAVE to visit the official sites of Bureay of Immigration and check all over again. Even here in LiP site still is some old inform speaking abput 21 days etc. as Bob just sharing his old posts which someone asking, cannot check and update all his inform. Also so much misunderstandings and wrong information in other YouTube sites you can find. So, just ask but check it all so you must not blame anyone else but yourself if something goes in a wrong and more harder way. Good luck for your project!
Hi Bob, how are you? Hope everything is well :D. Thank you for all the answered queries you gave me months ago. I really appreciate it much!
I am here again want to seek an advice from you since from my point of view you are an expert on this matter.
My friend’s niece, a US passport holder, with visa type 9(a), just turned 19 few weeks ago, overstayed for more than 7 years here in the Philippines and her passport expired last 2007. I told her to go to US Embassy for renewal of passport and also to go to immigration to pay the penalties.
My question is where to go first, to US embassy or to Philippine Immigration?
Thank you so much! God bless!
🙂
Hi Romina – I would say that she better go renew the passport first, because they will not take care of the visa with an expired passport. Be sure to bring both the old and new passports to the BI when going to take care of the overstay.
An overstay of that long is a serious offense, and the penalty will be a lot of money. If it possible that your friend can qualify for dual citizenship?
Leo, That’s why I said I was glad I found this blog/website. Where I can get up dated information. Bob had mentioned he didn’t know where I got that info so I shared it with him. I knew the information was old and likely outdated! Had I intended to use the information in that video I wouldn’t be posting here. I found it odd that the extension they (Badladz) mentioned was 38 days, but it makes sense it’s 21+38 = 59. I had asked on their video about the 21 days now being 30 and he confirmed, I had assumed it was 30 + 38 = 68. That’s why I asked Bob as I’m not having to wait a week for a reply here.. Thanks Bob!! Also Leo, yes even the official sites have misleading info. Basically I’m going to have to get the info from the horses mouth when I’m there I’m just trying to get an idea of what to expect. No need for all the (!’s) thank you.
Hi Bob! How are you? I have a gigantic problem. I know I should go to the immigration about this but I’m scared. I am a Filipino Born but was naturalized in Norway. We moved back to the Philippines in 1999 I believe. Back then I was about 13 years old. My problem is. My mother and my Norwegian Dad wasn’t able to take care of the legalities of our stay. And I had no idea about the big problem until I was at age. We have been over staying in the Philippines for 17 years. So how do I go about avoiding a huge penalty. My Dad passed away back in 2007 which means there’s just so much we can pay in terms of the fees and penalties. I just have no idea what to do. I have my NSO that proves I’m a natural born Pinay.
Based on what you have told me, can’t you just go to the BI and file for Dual Citizenship? If you do that, no penalties will be due.
Hi Bob!, My Turkish national boyfriend left in the country with an ECC A. ( April 4,2016) but he noted me that he tick the box with leaving for good ( he thought that if he did not, he needs to comeback in month or 2) . But he will come back on September 2016.
With this, does re entering Philippines again will be a problem?
I don’t think there will be any problem.
Hi sir Bob! Hope you can help me with my query.
I was a NATURAL-born Filipino (with Filipino birth certificate). My mother is Filipina and my dad was a naturalized american. I also became a naturalized American citizen when I was 13 years old (around 2005). Within that same year, I returned to the Philippines with my blue passport, but never applied for ACR. Since 2005, I’ve been here in the Philippines, studied and worked.
My questions are:
1. If I want to leave the country using my blue passport, will I have problem in the airport/customs/immigration if I’ve been here since 2005? No penalties?
2. I was told about the ‘Filipino Recognition Application’ to get dual citizenship (NOT the retention/reacquisition). Will I have problem applying for this one also?
Thanks sir Bob. Hope to hear from you.
You said that when you were born, your Dad was a naturalized US Citizen. If that is correct, you had no need to be naturalized yourself you were already a US citizen.
By naturalizing you gave up your Philippine citizenship.
If you go to leave the country, you will be hung with huge amounts of fines for overstaying for more than 10 years.
You should probably go file for re-acquisition of citizenship through RA 9225.
Hi Bob
I have a question for my friend that have overstayed her for almost 3 years, I would like to hear what will happen if he go to the immigration and pay his fees and overstay Etc., will he get arrested or will he be free to leave the country ?
He will be deported and blacklisted. He could also be arrested.
Is there not normal given a 7 days window , to leave the country , I think I have heard that some there ?
He could be deported, but it doesn’t always happen as Bob says. If you have overstayed for 2+ years, then your case is transferred over to the head of the BIR and he makes the final decision. If you have the funds to pay the fees, penalties, etc.. and you haven’t had any problems within the Philippines, then there is a change that you won’t be deported. I’ve seen it happen multiple times.
If you overstay for 24 months or more, you are automatically deported. You will have to pay the fees, or spend time in the jail, but you will be deported.
Hi Bob
My name is Paul,
I’m originally from the UK,
and now 60 years old,
I have been working in Makati for over 6 years,
Being invited over here by an old boss, who now has a company here, he paid my air fare and helped me find a place to live, when I got here he arranged my Visa and Alien Employment Permit, and his HR dept just contacted me whenever it all needed renewing, but that didn’t happen this time.
Both the visa and alien employment permit had expired at the end of May last year, being reliant on someone else was a terrible mistake, and I realized far too late, not until the begining of December, I went to the HR at work straight away, and assured me it would get done,
But I learnt later that the HR had left the company shortly I saw her, so I asked the new HR if she knew about it, she didn’t but found the visa etc and said she would deal with it, but a few weeks later she had also left,
So now a third HR was going to sort it out.
I kept chasing it up, but was just told to be patient,
Nearly 3 weeks ago my boss, who had long knew of the problem, told me that it hadn’t been dealt with by HR and now it was too late to do anything.
He even commented that I shouldn’t trust a filipino to arrange my immigration papers, although he had done exactly that from the beginning!
I was told to go home and to keep quiet about it because we both would be in serious trouble, also informing me that he still legally had to pay me 30 days salary, but what then!!
So now no job, little money and I feel abandoned by my boss, he wont even be allow in the office to talk to him,
I hate the fact that I’m now illegal here, I have never broke the law in my life,
My passport had been due for renewal and is now being processed in the Uk, but that could take upto 8 weeks, so that makes things even more complicated.
Everything I have in my life is here!
And although I have very very limited funds, I have been so so happy here.
I have a lovely filipina lady as my partner and we are now frantic with worry, the whole thing’s making me sick.
You may think I’m stupid or naive, you would be right!
I really fear what the future holds for me now.
And I think that after reading your article and advice to others, I am now even more worried.
Bob, I just dont know what to do!
Thank you
Regards
Paul
Hi Paul. I am really sorry but I see few options for you. Probably KY the best thing you can do is hire an attorney, but I doubt any solution can be found at this point.
I do wish you the best though.
Thanks
My fiancee over stayed in the philippines for over 5 years because of her parents not fixing her paper work for dual citizenship/ extending the visa or changing it to a student visa.
basically she spent half her life here and then we had to jump through hoops just to allow her to fly back to the USA.
Immigration only informed us that she’s be blacklisted and prohibited from returning to the philippines UNLESS the penalties be paid.
i was wondering how much the total cost of a year would be and if i could just add it up total to the length of her stay.
Do you have the information to help?
I wish to try and settle her penalties so she could return.
You say that she is eligible for dual citizenship. Take care of that and she cannot be blacklisted.
Hey MindanaoBob,
Just posted a question a few minutes ago on another post of yours.
Basically, My parents were not married when I was born but they were Filipino citizens. I was born in the USA. A few years ago, my father went to Cali. Embassy to file a Report of Birth Abroad for me.
I went to the NSO here in Manila and received the NSO Birth Certificate Abroad. Does this 1 document show proof that I am a Filipino citizen/ Dual citizen?
And also, do you think having this 1 document alone good enough to get me a Filipino Passport?
Thanks in advance!
Your next step is to get a Certificate of Recognition of Philippine Citizenship.
Hello Mindanao Bob:
This is a sad story. My high school buddy, Bobby immigrated to the USA around 1990 from the Philippines and eventually became a naturalized USA citizen. He did not have an easy transition here because he was bullied for being “foreigner”. Things got worst when his father and mother died and he became depressed as he was now living alone in the USA. Possessing a USA PASSPORT, he left to the Philippines around 2001 as tourist or balikbayan, IDK really. Although intended to return to the United States at the time, that did not happen. While in the Philippines, he found love, made a family and has a child now. He never renounced his US citizenship but has not followed the rules and did not update visa requirements for his stay in the Philippines. He allowed his USA passport to expire and wants to move freely between USA and Philippines. But he is afraid to seek help from the USA embassy because he believes he will be deported or go to jail or both because he owes thousands in penalties of which he cannot pay now. He is afraid of getting blacklisted from entering the Philippines to never see his family or homeland again. He was born there in the Philippines but never acquired dual citizenship. He is seeking a legal way out and asked me for money and help. My heart feels sympathy but I am not in a position to offer financial help. So I am researching options for him. Am I wrong to assume he can apply for dual citizenship and avoid visa penalty fees? Are there low-cost immigration lawyers that can help him that you would recommend? Can he secure a US embassy approved repatriation loan to pay back fees so that he will not be blacklisted? This there a way for him to get a philippine passport if he was born and lived there till his late teens but immigrated and became naturalized citizen in the USA? Or is Bobby screwed and should I just delete him from facebook? What is your advice?
Your friend’s situation is not complicated, it is very simple and cheap to resolve.
As a former Philippine citizen, he is eligible for Dual Citizenship. It will cost him less than $100 to get Dual Citizenship. He should go to the Philippine Bureau of Immigration and apply to become a dual citizen. No penalties or fines will be owed if he becomes a dual citizen.
Next, he should go to the US Embassy and get a new US Passport, since his is long expired. The US embassy does nto ask about, or even care if you are overstaying in the Philippines. It is not their business, and they can’t do anything about it anyway.
Once your friend gets a new passport and has become a dual citizen he is then free to come and go between the US and the Philippines as much as he wants to.
Hi Mindanao Bob,
I have a Turkish friend who is currently detained in the Bureau of Immigration detention center in Taguig because he was overstaying for more than 2 years and is working here as a model without a working Visa or AEP. He mentioned that a lawyer advised him that he can stay here if he pays the penalties worth 350,000 pesos. Is this possible? I made some research and all including your blog specifically says that he will be deported and black listed.
Thanks,
Marissa
The rule is that if you overstay by 24 months you will automatically be deported. However, this is the Philippines, anything can happen in the Philippines. You are Filipino, I am sure you know how to make things happen in the Philippines, so I won’t elaborate on how to do it.
Bob!
Is that a recommend for a corruption, “reading between the lines”? 🙂 I wouldn`t believe this during Du30 times! Anyway, good luck for for this Turkish friend of Marissa! He/she surely needs that!
Certainly not a comment FOR corruption. He should be deported. That is what the law calls for.
Hello,
I’m traveling to the Philippines in January and will be there for 32 days. Am I able to apply for a visa before I get there or can I do it upon arrival in the Airport? Also do I need more documents then I would usually travel with – anything more then a passport and proof of my flight home?
All and all, what is your suggestion for the fastest and easiest way to extend my travel visa?
Geniveive
There are three different things you can do. First, you can indeed get a 60-day visa from the Philippine Embassy or consulate. This will be your most expensive choice. Secondly, you can extend your Visa at the airport. Thirdly, you can go to the Bureau of immigration to extend your Visa. Both the second and third choices will cost the same amount. For travel documents you only need what you suggested. Good luck.
Great, Thank you!
Do you have information on where in the airport we extend the visa?
Thanks again!
At rhe Bureau of Immigration Counter.
Hi Bob,
Good day,
I would like to ask, is there any mandatory fee for attorney in immigration for the foreigner has stayed in phillipines over one year without extention visa when you about to pay the penalty of extention fee??
I went there to pay the penalties of my daughter that already over stayed in philippine for almost 3 years without updating her visa since the very beginning. It just happened because of financial problem i have since i need to focus more to her hospitalize and medication she need to finish before.
Now i was just soo suprised because after i got the quotation print of how much i need to pay i also got a verbal reminder by the immigration officer that i need to pay the attorney fee amounting 20-25k depend on the attorney. so what is doubting me , is it true? why i never see it in the immigration web about this information ?? and why only verbal reminder? what if the person has no more money since what they need to pay already big enough …. anyone know what is this about??
i need your help, thank you.
Thankyou
No. I never heard of such a fee. Call President Duterte’s new 8888 corruption hotline and report it. I am sure they will tell you if is legitimate or corruption.
hi bob, thank you so much for your quick reply.
by the way i also have another question that is concern me too here, when we came to the immigration and when we ask for the quotation, they will give us 2 white printed papers. the other paper for the penalty fee and etc etc, the other one for the express lane fee. what is concerned me is, what if we want to choose without express lane? as i can see even we choose to pay the express lane, we still need to wait for another 2-3 weeks for the approval for us to be able to pay and get out from here. so whats the sense of us paying the express lane here??iam just trying to think rational here, as it doesnt make sense. but if thats whats necessary to do, then i have no choice.
thank you very much bob ….
The express lane fee is legitimate, and you don’t have a choice. You have to pay it. Everybody has to pay the express lane fee. So, just pay it and don’t worry about it.
Hi sir I just want to ask regarding my husband. He is a US citizen, He overstayed for 8 months now and we are planning to go to bureau of immigration to pay his penalties. after paying it, are they gonna require him to leave the country as soon as possible? Or he could still extend his stay? Thank you
I don’t expect that he will be required to leave, provided that he has been in the country for less than 36 months.
Sir , i just want to ask on how to renew foreign passport without leaving philippines?
You should be able to renew your passport at your country’s Embassy in Manila. Just contact them for the procedure, or check the Embassy website if they have one.
I’d word it more like this:
“If a foreigner is on a tourist visa and stays for longer than 6 months, does he need to go through an NBI background check in Manila?”
I need an answer sir please
It depends on your case, but generally no. You can just keep extending your tourist visa for up to 36 months total.
You never have to do an NBI background check only in Manila. NBI has offices all over the country. You may need the NBI check before you leave, depending on how long you have been in the country. When you go get your ECC (Exit Clearance Certificate) they will tell you what is required from you.
hi bob ‘
thanks for your website and ive been reading all the questions and your answers its been helpful to everyone 🙂
i have a question too .
ive been residing to the u.s. from 1998 till i went back to the philippines at 2010 for some personal reason my brother was been amputated from a gun powder accident back in nov 2010 a reason for me to stay in the philippines and to take care of him all those 3 to 4 years .i even worked here in the philippines to come up with some to provide some of my brothers medical expenses .now this year i sold 1 of my house to provide my interview ,medical check up for the u.s. embassy or a plane ticket i i get approve to be send back to the u.s. (extra money if i get there) i only have a resident alien card (greencard) i tried to exit back in the us 2011 another year 2012 then after i never came back for a stamp for my passport . now i tried to call the u.s. embassy here in the philippines to make an appointment for an interview at the consul this coming august 23 2016 . my question is , what should i tell them and what is the best to show them for me to get me back my visa (greencard) updated .
and by the way my greencard expires on 2019 .
thank you bob and i hope i can hear from you soon
Hi Jay – I am sorry. I am happy to help answer questions about how to get a visa to come to the Philippines, how the Philippine immigration system works and such. However, getting US visas and such is outside my scope. I just don’t know about or even care about getting a US visa, so my answers would not be accurate or helpful to you. Good luck to you, though, I hope that it all works out.
Bob,
Why not advise Jay to get help from Ray Bacon? RonMcCarthy knows Ray’s email address. In fact Ron may know the answer to Jay’s question. Ron is on your site from time to time.
I tried to respond to Jay but the “reply link” wouldn’t ooen.
Ray Bacon is a good friend, and if he wishes to get help from Ray that would be great. His question is simply outside the scope of this site or my expertise.
Ray can be contacted through his website:
http://www.multiethnicservices.com/
Hi Bob,
I have a korean boyfriend and he overstayed here in the Philippines for almost 2 years. Is there any way we can fix this problem of not making him blacklisted?
Thanks.
If he goes in to the Bureau of Immigration and takes care of this before ht has overstayed for 2 years, he will not be blacklisted. He will need to pay all of the fines due.
If he lets it go until he has overstayed for more than 24 months he will be blacklisted, there is nothing he can do at that point.
Hi bob,
I was born in USA. My parents are both Filipino citizens when I was born. Im already 20 years old now. We came here to the Philippines when i was five years old and since then never came back there. So, I’m already overstaying here. My passport is already expired too. And now, Im planning to go back to USA. What should I do? Thank you.
Firstly, your parents should file a late “report of birth abroad” with the Philippine Consulate that serves the area you were born, and recognition of Philippine Citizenship. Once that process is completed you will become a dual citizen.
Next, you need to renew your passport at the US Embassy in Manila.
After those things are complete you should be able to leave the Philippines and now owe any fees for overstaying.
Thank you for enlightening me, Bob!
Where can I get the recognition of Philippine Citizenship? And will I be blacklisted from going back here to the Philippines? :/ Thank you.
As I said, your parents should file a late report of birth abroad at the Philippine consulate. After they file that, they should ask about the recognition of Philippine citizenship at the same place. Once this is completed you will be a citizen of the Philippines, and you can never be blacklisted because a citizen cannot be blacklisted. Good luck.
Hi again Bob! We’re done filing my late report of birth abroad. The copies are already with me here in the Philippines. Next is Im going to renew my passport. I just wanna ask what should i bring/ what are the requirements in renewing my US passport. Thank you!
All they should need I’d your expired passport.
Dear bob, is there a certificate of recognition as filipino citizen? If yes, where i can get it?
I am not aware of any such certificate. There is a certificate of recognition as a dual citizen, though. If you are a dual citizen that is issued to you when you apply and get approval for dual citizenship.
Hi Bob, does obtaining copy of my child’s report of birth abroad from the philippine statistics authority mean he is a recognized filipino citizen?
Hi bob I’m Lucas I have been over stayed for 1year and 3month because of a car accident but I were have student visa 9f which expected on 29may 2015 now I don’t know what to do coz as you said the black listed within 1year over stay I really need your help about what can I do now coz I really what to finish my studies first thank you bob
I never said that you would be blacklisted after 1 year. You will be blacklisted after 24 months, not 1 year. Better go to the BI and take care of it before the time creeps up on you and you get blacklisted. Go pay your penalties now while you still can.
Thank you bob you really helpfull but you mentioned that they will black listed within 12 for those who have tourist visa but you never mentioned how long they will black listed for those with student visa or balkin visa you just said if you stayed over 12month I mean for those with student or others type of visa thank you Bob your advice is really helpful here really ippriciate
Good day Mr. Bob i just to ask if already 2months not renew the visa foes it mean will be automatically blacklisted in the philippines? What if renew the visa before the 12months and go to his country can comeback here?
Hi Bob, im an australian age 67, married to a filipina can I apply for senior card in the Philippines..thank you
Only Philippine Citizens who live in the Philippines may legally hold a Senior Discount Card. So, the answer is that no, you may not have one.
Hi Bob.
I have a visa 47a2 from PEZA since the company i work for is under PEZA. my contract will expired on December 10 and i am not planing to renew, and my visa will expired on December 17 , but i would like to stay until December 19. Do you know what can be the fees for 3 days overstay? where will i have to pay the overstay? will this be an issue (the overstay) if i want to comeback to the Philippines?
I am sorry, I do not no. I’ve never even heard of that type of Visa before so I just don’t have any idea.
Hi Bob,
About the visa 47a2 you can check this link; http://www.philippineconsulatela.org/consular-services-2/visa/47-a-2-special-non-immigrant-visa
Hi, Bob! First of all, you have a really great website going here and it’s amazing of you to help people out on this site. I hope you will be able to help me out here because I think I am in a serious pickle and I am afraid to contact the American embassy.
Here is my situation, My passport (type P) has been expired since 2007 and my Identification and privilege card has been expired since 2009. Me and my father were in the process of renewing everything and sorting everything out years after they expired, (the delay was because of financial problems) but unfortunately my father became very ill and all of the money went to hospital bills. Long story short, my father passed away years ago. I haven’t talked to the embassy about my situation because I am afraid the resolution would be me getting blacklisted/jailed and I don’t want that to happen specially since I just had a son who is 7 months old now.
Where do I go from here? I would really appreciate any help or advice because I am really afraid and I don’t want to leave my family.
P.S. I’ve been keeping my self alive with online teaching for a friend abroad. My mother who is divorced with my father is in Guam and is unable to help me.
Hi TJ – You did not really say exactly how long you have been staying beyond your visa limits, but it sounds like it is for many years. You really did not give much information about yourself either, so it is hard for me to know what your options are.
Based on the things you say about you and your father, I suspect tha tyou are Filipino. Is that the case? Are you an American citizen, but your parents, at least one of them was Filipino? If so, this can be easily straightened out by seeking Dual Citizenship.
If my assumption is wrong and you are not a Filipino, then you are indeed in for some tough times ahead. I would recommend that you see an attorney who specializes in Immigration matters and try to resolve this.
Good luck to you.
Sorry about that, honestly I am not sure how to check what kind of visa I have. I remember my father telling me that I have a student visa, but I am not sure. Does it say on the passport? My father was the one who did everything for me back then that is why I don’t have any idea about this.
I am an American citizen born in California. I have been staying in the Philippines ever since I was 5 years old. If you need anymore information, I’ll be glad tell you anything.
I guess I really might have to talk to an attorney to see what options I have. I really hope it wouldn’t cost that much though. Money for me is really tight right now.
Thank you for the response, I really appreciate it.
Hi TJ – It should say on your passport what type of visa you have.
You have a complicated case and been staying here for a long time, get an Attorney on this… I don’t feel qualified to assist you, and I don’t want to give you incorrect advice.
Hi bob, im an australian pensioner married to a filipina I just want to ask u if I can use my australian senior card in the Philippines for food etc.. thank you..
you can try using your Australian discount card, although no Merchants are required to take it, you may find some to do. However, if you get a Philippines senior citizen discount card, that is Illegal, do not do that.
Only Philippines citizens are entitled to the “senior discount”.
Under the updated law which was passed in 2010, only Philippine Citizens who live permanently in the Philippines may legally obtain or use a Senior Discount card. If foreigners do it they can be deported.
In Manila, if you are a senior citizen, pretty much all places will give you the senior citizen discount at restaurants as long as you show them your America drivers license reflecting your age.
Having some company is no problem. Using a Philippine Senior Discount card is illegal, though. Two very different things.
Hi sir i just become an american citizen. my question is how long can i stay in the philippines? and im born and grew up in the philippines… thank you
I would recommend that you apply for Dual Citizenship, then you can stay in the Philippines for as long as you want. If you do not get dual citizenship, then you can show your US Passport and get a 30 day stay, which can be extended for up to 3 years.
any idea how much would it cost me to expend my stay without doing dual citizenship? i might just past my extend for a week
i read some of the comments here that a person was autumatically was a dual citizen cuz he/she was born in america cuz of the parents are still a philippine citizen. would that apply to me also cuz of my parents are still philippine citizen???
I believe if you were a Phil. Citizenship and then acquired USA Citizenship, you automatically gave up your Phil. Citizenship… so in that case, you would need to go in for Dual Citizenship to re-acquire your Phil. Citizenship which you lost when becoming a USA Citizen.
That’s what I think happens in your situation. Not an issue getting a dual if you plan to come and go in the Philippines throughout your life. It’s worth it!
thank you sir
“lgbalfa”, in all the years I lived in the Metro Manila area I never tried asking a discount with foreign drivers license. Then again, it’s been years since I had one outside, I’ve changed to Philippines drivers licence I think it was 2003.
Bob might be able to comment – while it’s illegal for a foreigner senior (anyone other than Philippines citizen) to use a Philippines Senior card what’s about the comment “lgbalfa” provided – it’s legal for a foreigner to use any other ID to ask seniors discount??? Seems to be contrary to the intent if not the word of the law.
It is not illegal to give a discount. If you ask the merchant and he gives you a discount that is fine. But, without a Philippine Senior card (which you are not allowed to have) the merchant is under no obligation to extend a discount to you.
im francis im here in philippines i have overstay for 3yrs and 7mouth but i have pay for all my overstay and my problem is if leave the country is it going to be easy for me to come back
Because you have overstayed for more than 24 months you will be blacklisted and not allowed to enter the Philippines again, that is the law now.
If I were to ask the restaurant for a discount, not ever use a senior discount card, I’d give the waiter and extra tip. I know the waiter would appreciate it.
Hi Bob I have a question, I am a US citizen have been living here in Mindanao for 7 years.When I got here I married my current wife
I did not have a visa just a stamp in my passport.
I asked my wife and other relative,” Don’t I need to talk to immigration” Al ways get the same answer ” Don’t worry, it is all right” So I never worried about it.
Now I want to move back to the US with my wife and I find out that I have to pay a penalty, I am wondering if there is any way to reduce the penalty?
any info would be greatly appreciated.
We own property here if that helps no kids
Thank you
7 years? No way to reduce it. You will be lucky if you don’t have to spend some time in jail. For sure you will be blacklisted and never be allowed to enter the country again.
Thank you Bob ,
I had a stroke so it is hard for me to get around so I relay on others to get information.
But I guess that doesn’t make any difference
Just pay up ans leave with a mile.
Thank you
Better get a lawyer, sell the property, leave the country and forget the RP full of happy memories and stop thinking even I believe that last one did happen already 7 years ago! Maybe now open the web side of Bureau of Immigration and just blame not the “good advises” of the family but just for yourself, even it can be hard to do. Then find out the Immigration list of the black listed people and find out you are not alone there with those 10000 others who didn`t mind to read the clear and simple rules how to stay legally in a country. Have a good life then in USA home with your wife and once a year have a vacation in Cancun. Take care!
John thank you for the response
I refer to my reply to Bob above.
Take care my friend
You too & God bless! Good to return back to a Great America we can think after the elections now! 🙂
Hi! Mr Rob, Im Michelle Dahunos. Im the daughter of Sylvia Dahunos which she is a Filipino and my Father they left california because they keep fighting Lol ?. I was born in california along with my older brother named Miguel. I just renewed my passport and my older brother I think that was May, 3 2016. I was worried of the penalties because since I was a baby and now Im turning 15 yrs old this coming december 13 and my brother is 16 yrs old. I have a question how much it will cost for overstaying? and do I have to apply dual citizenship? please notice me ☺ thank you and God Bless you
That will cost millions of Pesos for each of you. Look into obtaining dual citizenship, then all fees are waived.
Hi Good Day!
I need assistance. I am a US citizen living in the philippines Since 1998. The stamp on my passport last entry here was Balikbayan. I was born here in the philippines but I carry a blue passport. I have not paid any fees I even work here in the philippines and have my regular government ids since my birth certificate is tagged as filipino. Now I guess my question are:
Do I need to pay any overstaying fees since I carry a blue passport?
Can I go out of the country without being deported or going to jail?
Do I need to do that same for my son that was born in the philippines but has a US passport?
Please do help me in any way you can as I want to go back to the US with my family.
Thank you so much in advance.
Hello – If you are not a Philippine Citizen and have been staying in the Philippines for 20 years you are going to own millions in fines and penalties. I would recommnd that you look into obtaining dual citizenship, if you are a former Philippine citizen, that will get the fines waived.
People think that being deported is the worst thing that can happen if the overstayed their VISA or stay in the Philippines as an illegal alien, but believe me when I say that the deportation will come as a relief after staying at the BI detention center in Bicutan, Taguig, for a couple of months. There you will share cell block and even room with pedophiles, murderers, terrorists, drug addicts and other criminals.
Here is a report from the detention center: http://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/article/1846705/forgotten-foreigners-notorious-philippine-detention-centre
Nobody is deported straight away. Everyone will stay in the detention center of at least a couple of weeks because BI need police and NBI clearances to see that there is no crimes committed.
Hi there!
I have a question for you, if that’s alright!
My fiance arrived here in Mindanao this year and have overstayed a total of 6 months so far. Can he still have his visa renewed and not be blacklisted if tries to apply for the renewal? He wasn’t able to renew it earlier since he didn’t have the money to when his 3-month tourist visa was expiring, but he got a job online recently and will now be able to pay for the fees. Also, how much do you think it would be for the penalty fees?
Thanks!
Yes, he can still extend without being blacklisted. But he needs to take care of it if he goes too long he will be blacklisted.
Thanks for the quick response!
Does he have to go to Manila for the extension?
He should be able to take care of it at any Bureau of Immigration Office, anywhere in the country.
Hello! I’m a filipino citizen, married to an american and my daughter was born here in the Philippines. She first had her philippine passport and acquired her american citizenship before she turned a year old. Does that automatically lose her Filipino citizenship? We came back here to the Philippines since 2010. I had both of her passport with me but im not sure which one they stamped upon entry. I’m still looking for her old passport. They took her US passport when I renewed it so cant check to see. I had just finished college and we are now planning to move back to the states. She is now 10 years old. Is she considered to be overstaying if she used her blue passport? Do i need to pay fees? or can she obtain dual to avoid fees? Thank you!
Your daughter should be considered a dual citizen. As long as you can show both a US Passport and a Philippine Passport there will be no penalties or fines charged upon exit. If you do not have a Philippine passport for her, you can also show a certificate of dual citizenship, or a certificate of Philippine citizenship. If you do not have one of those items as proof of her Philippine citizenship, you should get one of those, because the fines that will be due will be substantial.
Thanks Bob! 🙂 She doesn’t have a certificate of dual citizenship. Only her NSO birth certificate. Couldn’t find her Philippine passport. If I can get her a dual certificate then all fines would be waived?
Yes, in that case I’ll find would be waived.
Hi Bob, Ive been looking for someone who can give me answers to my queries before I get to the US Embassy for help. I have an Uncle who is a US Citizen but overstayed here in the Philippines for 5 years already. He doesn’t have job at the moment and can’t pay for any fees if caught. He wanted to to go to the embassy to seek help. His wife is in the US who he said that will be sending money for the application of Dual Citizenship and to renew his US passport because in a month it’s already expired. Is that the best thing to do at the moment? If not, any advise you can give? I am worried of him because he wanted to go leave the country and be deported just to see his kids who just recently left for US.
Your uncle is only always you both for dual citizenship if he is a former Philippine citizen. If he’s just an American and always has been an American, he is not eligible and cannot become a dual citizen. In that case his only option is to pay the fines and leave, although he will be blacklisted because he’s overstayed for more than 2 years. He may also have to spend some time in jail with that amount of an over stay. Good luck to him.
Will he be jailed here in the Philippines as well?
What I know he was born in the US, his dad is a Filipino..
OK, good luck with that.
I would say that it is likely that he will have to spend some time in Philippine jail for a 5 year overstay.
Hi Bob,
I would like to stay in Philippines for 35 days and I was wondering if it is better to pay for a waiver visa or it might be cheaper to pay the fees for overstaying couples of days longer ?
Hi Bob,
I honestly not aware of annual report for my husband with permanent visa. It’s my bad for not reading his documents thoroughly. So he missed reporting from AR 2014- 2015/2016. Im afraid that he will be deported because of that. And hoping the fine will not be so high.
He will not be deported for that, but there will be late fees to pay.
Hello Bob. I was born and currently living here in the Philippines. I applied for my U.S citizenship and I got my U.S passport January 7, 2017. If I leave the Philippines this April using my U.S passport to go to United States, do you think they will charge me for over staying? Even I still have a valid Philippine passport? Can I use that passport to the Philippine immigration as a proof that I am still a Filipino citizen to prevent any charges? Thank you in advance.
I would recommend that you go and apply for Dual Citizenship. To do that go to the Bureau of Immigration to get it started.
Yes, I believe you can show your Philippine Passport to avoid any charges.
Ok Bob, thank you 🙂
Any time, James! Good luck to you.
Good day Bob .. I am European living in Philippines (been here almost 10 years) with my 2 children and their mother who’s is Filipina. We are not married because she married when she was young girl. Children’s are legally proof to be mine with her.
For same reason like most, no money to renew visa in time, nor to go out of country, I have overstayed now for 14 months. What could and should I do now, when I have money to pay fees or what ever they may be? Do I will be putted in jail and/or blacklisted, which would ruin the life of my family? Sorry my bad English.
Hi jpalo. Go take are of this while you still can. If you overstay 24 months you will be jailed, deported, and blacklisted.
Do it now and the only
Penalties will be financial.
Thank you for your immediate reply. If I may ask couple more questions ..
To where should I go to fix this? Any idea about the amount I must pay?
You should go to the Bureau of immigration to take care of this.
As far as the cost, I’m not going to give you an exact figure, you’ll need to go and find out. However, expect to pay all of the Visa fees that were due, plus 500 pesos per month that you’re late. That should give you a good guideline.
OK, thank you, I will do that asap
I made a mistake in buying my sons ticket. He left in UK on Jan. 23 and he is flying back on the Feb 22…probably overstayed 1 day. Does he still have to pay for a visa renewal?
Yes
how much is the fine for i day overstay?
No reason to pay any fine. Just go to the Bureau of immigration before the Visa expires and pay for the extension.
does he have to pay it in the airport?
Ho Bob I just want to ask about my problem I was born in Europe and my mother is a filipina and I was months old when I entered the Philippines it’s been 25 years and I only have a paper from beuro of immigration stating that I’m recognized as a Filipino and that is only valid for exit and have to lay the ecc fine am I going to be charged of overstaying since I never left the country and has no dual certificate? Thanks
If you are recognized as a Philippine Citizen there should be no fines for overstaying, nor for ECC fines. That does not make any sense to me.
Hi Bob,,
I am citizen of India.
I plan to visit Philippines on Balikbayan visa along with my wife.
Can I own property, start business, open bank account, buy a car have driver’s licence etc. during my stay there?
Many thanks
Own property? No
Start business? Depends on what kind of business and how you set up the ownership.
Open Bank Account? Most likely. Many banks require an ACR I-Card to open an account and BB Visa holders are not required to get one.
Buy a car? Of course you can.
Have a Driver’s License? Yes.
etc? Depends on what the “etc” is.
How many times can you enter on your Balikbayan Visa? One time only. Once you leave the country the BB Visa exists no more, it is a single entry visa. But, you can get a new BB Visa every time you enter, as long as your wife is entering with you.
Thank you so much Bob.
Your opinion helps us all a lot.
I think indians cant get Balikbayan visa
Aubb, if you want to continue traveling back and forth between India and Philippines. Get a Singapore E visa. You will get a multiple Singapore visa with this visa u can fly back and forth from India and Philippines. On arrival you will get a 14 days visa . And then you can extend another week .
Many thanks Tenzing
Hi Bob,
My dad is a US citizen and has been in the Philippines since January 2014. He now wants to come back home. Will they blacklist him since he’s been there for over a year? will they deport him back to the states? Will they jail him? how much will his fines be? Your assistance would be great, I’ve bought him a ticket to come back home in March
Hey Bob, I am staying as a tourist and as I saw just now, my tourist “visa” expires today, and i need to stay in Ph for another 18 days. Is it better to go tomorrow to imigration and pay the fee or is it better to leave the country today and come back tomorow
Personally, I would not recommend waiting 18 days to do it at the airport. Instead of letting you go to your flight they might let you go to jail instead if you wait that long. Go to the Beer of him a gration tomorrow and take care of it, that’s your best thing you can do.
Hi Bob, my husband is a naturalized U.S. Citizen… He went home here in the Phils. last 2006 and now overstayed for almost 10 yrs. Can he apply for dual citizenship at B.I. without paying any penalties? Thanks.
You say he is a naturalized US Citizen, but where was his previous citizenship. If he is a former Philippine Citizen he can apply for dual citizenship and he will not owe any overstaying penalties once his dual citizenship is approved.
Thanks Bob.. he is a former Philippine Citizen..
Hi… I’m an Indian doing mbbs in davao. I lost my passport before 2 weeks. It has the student visa which is going to expire within 2 months. Now I have applied for my new passport.. But the embassy told me that it will take around one month to get new passport. So now my doubt is, is it okk to renew my visa without restamping the old one which is going to expire in 2 months? Or I should restamp it and renew my visa?? So can you please guide me???
Hey Bob, my dad is a naturalized american citizen while my mom is a filipino citizen. I was born in Guam and have arrived here in the Philippines last 2003 (6 years old) with a stamp on my US passport as a balikbayan. I have been studying here all my life and my US passport just got renewed last year (2016). Now that im 19 and studying in college, am I still gonna have to pay fines? Am i going to be blacklisted or detained? What do i need to do in order for me to stay here as much as I want? Thank you
Since your mother is a Philippine citizen you qualify for dual citizenship. If you go file for and receive dual citizenship you can avoid all of the fines, blacklisting and such that you are currently facing.
Thank you so much, Bob!
hi Bob
This is not true. If an American is stuck here and simply can not pay the fees, the embassy has a programs to help him. He has to do a lot of paper work, gets a ticket to America, a letter to waive the fees, etc. He loses his passport on arrival in America until he pays for the flight that the government gave him. Oh, he is blacklisted by the Philippines.
Hi Bob,
My father was meant to be coming back into Australia yesterday but did not get on his connecting flight from NZ (He was flying Philippines to NZ then to Aus) so we are worried he has been detained in the Philippines. What is the best way to find out what has happened? He is over 70 and not in the best of health so am very worried 🙁 Thanks in advance…
Well, I’m very sorry to hear about that, and I hope he’s doing okay. I don’t know, does he have friends, family, somebody like that in the Philippines that you can call? Or do you know his phone number could you call him? I really don’t know any other way to check on him. I do wish you the best of luck though.
Hi Bob,
Thanks for your quick reply 🙂 We finally found out he returned to where he was living and didn’t board (thinking it was too much of a risk I think?)
What is likely to happen…or more than likely that an overstayer (NZ citizen) would be detained and go to the prison rather than be deported?
I have no way of answering your question, because you have told me nothing about him but his age and his health. What type of visa does he have? How long has he been overstaying his visa in the Philippines? Without this information, I really have no way of even guessing what kind of trouble he is facing.
Yes sorry for being so vague…I don’t actually know what visa he would’ve gone over on but he has been living there for several years now so whichever visa it would’ve been, it would’ve expired a long time ago. Just trying to figure out whether it would only be fines being faced (or if over a certain amount of years) prison is the end result or if you pay whatever fines then do you automatically then avoid prison. Not sure if that info is any more useful for you to make an assessment..
With the limited information you’re given, I really have no way of knowing what the answer would be.
Yeah well nevermind, thanks for the reply anyway…so is it true that immigration don’t work on a holiday there and that orders for detaining people must come from the head office…find that difficult to believe that due to it being a public holiday there, they wouldn’t take someone into custody?
They will definitely take him into custody on a holday that they don’t work. That is the way it works. They won’t release him as say “please come back on Tuesday”. You can bet on that.
Yes that’s what I figured, can’t imagine that happening anywhere.
Well thank you so much for assistance, I have really appreciated it 🙂
Not to in any way suggest non-compliance, but I have to wonder exactly _who_ might “take him into custody on a holiday”. Last year when I treked to Davao to BI for annual reporting, not realizing it was a holiday (why would the wife bother to mention it?) the only person on the premises was the one sole guard. I told him I was there for my annual reporting and he told me that no one else was there, come back in the morning. He didn’t know me from a whole in the ground but (as most Filipino guards are) was happy to suggest where I might get a decent hotel room “mura” nearby and exchange a bit of pleasant banter.
The sole guard on a holiday has zero access to records, the premises door is locked, and checking status and acting on it as BI staff might isn’t his job anyway.
That questioned, obviously still better to do ones’ best to comply fully in proper time since suddenly as of a few months ago even that may not be enough.
Hi Ed, thanks for your input 🙂 And yes definitely best to do the right thing which in this case has probably gone past the point of no return..
Having that kind of thing happen in Australia is obviously rather bizarre but then I guess in other countries, stranger things have happened lol
Good day Mr. Bob .. I ask some questions from you 23 days ago, but have still not done what you told me to do, and the reason is; when I go to Immigration and I don’t know how much I must pay, so if I don’t have money enough for all overstay payments, what would happen?
Dear Bob, if you know anything about this, could you please answer?
I already did answer, but then you said you did not have money to do what I told you needed to be done. What else can I say?
I don’t know enough about your situation to know how much the penalties will be. I don’t even know for sure what will happen if they are not paid. More than likely it will mean some time in jail. But I don’t know for sure because you haven’t told me enough information.
OK, if having not enough money but all I have with me when go to immigration is not the way as I have to take care 3 other people, and they would stay with nothing. Bad situation. Third world.
I’m sorry, I have nothing to do with making the laws for the policies in the Philippines. I’m only telling you what will happen.
hi Bob.what solution the person overstay since 6 year without visa and extention .can i pay penalties.then i can order extention and visa student or they will deported me after i pay and included me blacklist.
Hi Bob, I need your suggestion please. i am in philippines since March 2013. i am married to a filipina 2008 in UAE and having one daughter and my wife invited after we lost job their. We planned for applying TRV but my first job provided me 9G visa which was valid till Nov 2015. I downgrade it after i lost my job and back to tourist visa and having hard time till Nov 2016 to get job and renewing visa. Finally i got job on Sep 2016 and HR adviced me to upgrade my visa status. Me and my wife went to BOI manila and they stamped my passport with order to leave. We applied motion of re consideration and it was approved for applying TRV and i paid all penalty almost 70k and got extensions and submit to my new job HR along with all documents reciept as they said they can provide me working visa called 47(A)2 which like 9g visa. I joined with them on OCT 2016 and they took my passport for visa process 47(A)2 and already interview at PEZA on DEC 201 6 and also went once to BOI for visa extension along with HR team but due to missing documents from company side BOI didnt except my passport for extention and next week they submit it and said for followup after 2 to 3 weeks. I thought it may taking time because i never exit country since 2013. I recived AEP(Alien work permit) from doly last month and hr said my passport still in Manila BOI for extention. This week HR updated me saying that my passport is with Legal and deportation dept. and told me go their as they said i had previouse deportation case. I was shoked dont know what to say. My company said they will help if anything happen my job are secured. Here is my question if i go to BOI will be arrested for deportation. What i feel BOI order for TRV but i allowed my company to process working visa with my new company as HR said their will be no issue. Me and my wife both nervouse as i dont want to be deport and blacklist. please suggest me what to do thank you.
Hi Mark, to be honest, a lot of the things you’re saying don’t make much sense to me. So, it’s difficult for me to reply. I will say, I’m shocked that you have not already been deported, and personally I would expect that you will be deported soon, when you go report to the Bureau of immigration. I do wish you the best of luck, but I don’t know of anything I can do for you, and it’s hard for me to say what’s going to happen based on the information you’ve given me. I hope things work out for you. Good luck.
Hello, I need some help. I a will be marrying a Filipino lady this May 2017. We will be getting married in the States, as she will be here on vacation. She is a school teacher in the Philippines and will be returning home. I am looking to visit her in Dec. while she is on Christmas break from school. I want to move to their so she does not have to give up her teaching career. Know for the bad news that I think will keep this from happening. I have a felony record that is 10 years old. From what I have read this alone will keep me from staying their. So what I need to know is there anything that can be done so I will be able to live there with my wife..
Hi Kirk, you did not give me enough information to be able to provide an answer. I need to know what you were convicted of. What crime you committed will determine whether or not you will be allowed to live here.
Also, I want to let you know, it is illegal for you to marry her while she is there on vacation. That is immigration fraud. In order to marry comma she will need to be there in a fiance visa. US law does not allow you to marry a foreigner who is in the country for vacation.
Good luck to you.
Hi Bob As per you question: My felony is for robbery! To be more specific it was Bank robbery. It was a class c-felony I spent 18 month in person and 2 years on parole I was off paper as of September 2010.. Does this help you out??? Kirk
As for your second question, That is not what I have read from ether Embassy. She is allowed to marry me as long as she is going back to the Philippines at the end of her stay. There is no plan to try and get the visa changed while she is here….
OK, best of luck to you.
Hi Kirk,
If you need more info about visa help, look up visajourney. there is a wealth of information there.
I’ve read several threads where people convicted of crimes filed for and received visas for their pinay wife/fiancee to come to US, maybe someone knows the reverse.
I think you will find your answers there if you have not already.
Additionally, if your girlfriend was here on a US visa, most are for 10 years, but the longest stay can be six months per visit. I have recently had Filipino family come on a visitation visa that was for 10 years, but the longest stay allowed was six months, and the immigration officer will ask questions at US arrival to determine length of visa stay on any particular visit.
There visa was a H1B1 visa. The way I understand this visa, it is for business and visit, but you must declare when filling.
She can file for US green card as a foreigner married to US citizen. One of the drawbacks is this visa takes a long time to acquire. Some wait up to two years.
If she ever decided to work as teacher here in US. That is a skill that is approved by US immigration for skilled worker and could be approved quicker.
I have no information about your immigration to Philippines as convicted felon. Ten year old felony and no other problems is very good. I hope you success.
That is correct.
I think you could have a hard time getting a resident visa, Kirk. It is not completely certain that it would not be issued, but it is a good chance that they will deny. There are still ways that you can live here legally without a resident visa, though.
That’s what I wanted to know. What are the other ways that I could stay there without a resident visa… Is this something you now about?
Not only do I know about it, it is what I do for a living! 🙂 Helping people get visas and other things about making an international move. Drop me an email through our contact form, and I will send you information about what you can do.
OK were do I look to find your contact form?
At the top of every page on the website, there is a menu of pages. All the way over on the right it says contact. Just click on that and you’ll be at our contact form.
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Hi there, can someone please tell me the room number at the Bureau of Immigration Manila were they assess overstay fees and penalties etc, as my wife is getting shopped from room to room and still is unable to get this information even after inquiring at the front desk.She has paid waiver of removal fees and application fees and even with a notarized letter still has been unable to have this assessment done.Any help would be appreciated.I myself are still back here in my home country awaiting this outcome.
Hi there! Is there an email I can reach you for more information?
Thank you.
Just click on the Contact link at the top of the page.
Hi Bob. I was born in the US but has been living in the Philippines for 20years+. I hold a US Passport and have a US issued Birth Certificate but both of my parents are Filipino. Will I face any problem once I decide to fly to US? I don’t have an Alien Certificate of Registration.
I believe you will have huge problems. You are an American Citizen. You entered with a US Passport and have been here 20+ years. You are overstaying! You should easily be able to become a Philippine Dual Citizen, that would solve your problem.
Hello
I’m Martin and I see here it will be a place to ask my question, I haven’t seen someone asked it before
I’m Polish citizen and I should have 30 day visa on arrival, but I got one from 23rd of February to 23rd of March (I think custom officer just didn’t counted Feb. Has 28 days.
I should leve as my visa ends on 23march but I would like to leave on 25march
Can you tell me how much I should pay at the airport when I leave for those 2 days of overstate?
You will have to pay for a 29 Day extension. That should cost you P3,030.
Thank you for fast replay
Then I go to buy this visa at Cebu. And I’ll stay a week longer or two since I will have so much time
Thanks again, beer for help for you 🙂
I am an indian.my student visa expires on jul 1 but I am going back to India on Jun 12 for personal reasons and I will be back on Jun 29.so I cannot extend my visa prior to my deportation.will they allow me when I am returning back,or should I pay some fine?
Noo reply?
I am certainly under no obligation to reply. As I have said MANY times in this thread, I know nothing about immigration issues for Indians.
Hi sir my grandparents were petitioned by my gradfather’s older brother to america. They worked there for 10 years until got their american citizenship and never applied for dual-citizenship. 6years ago they came back here in philippines and overstayed. My gradma died last year and my gradfather wants to go back now to america. How much do you think he will pay for overstaying and processing for him to be able to go back to the U.S.? Where can he process? Can he process to davao immigration office since he live here in cotabato, mindanao? Please response. Thank you very much and God bless!
It is going to cost a lot of money. Why doesn’t he just go apply for dual citizenship, then he won’t have to pay anything? Sure, all of this can be taken care of right here in Davao City.
Hi just want to know any ideas of what to do if an immigrant is stayed in the phillipines for about 1 year already although he is a green card holder. Is there a possibilitiea that he can come back in the US?.
If you are a green card holder in the United States, and you leave the country for an extended time, your green card will be careful. Being here for 12 months, it is certain to me whether or not that is already happened to you. I really have no way of knowing. You need to check into it with United States authorities, maybe at the US Embassy. ⁴
Bob is right. It is best to check with the US embassy on current rules.
What you described happened to a friend of ours many years ago. At that time (2001) the rule/law was that a green card holder could not stay out of the US for more than 12 months. If they did they would have to re apply for a green card.
I know this is an old thread, but my wife, when she was a green card holder, we contacted the immigration service about the same question. We were told it is totally up to the immigration officer at US Customs and immigration when you arrive back in the US.
Some will let you in, some will not. I’ve searched the Immigration website looking for some concrete statement about up to 1 year and you will be ok, or 6 months and found nothing. We have heard rumors like you that you could be out for up to a years…but only rumor. I thought that was odd there is nothing written in stone about this, but that is what we were told.
I live here for ten years now. I really can’t understand why people play around with their status here, in Philippines ! I mean… Philippines has probably one of the most lenient Laws about staying here, even having special retiree residencies (that you can get from 35 of age !) with income tax exemption… Very few countries around the World offer that… Ok… Some years ago, it still was a bit of a hassle to extend a tourist visa, with all the corruption going on at the BI… But things have improved a lot, and I don’t understand people who don’t play by the rules. On top, it is usually the same people who will scream at illegals when they are back in their countries !!! There are a lot of things to criticize here (as in our countries…) but residency is quite well handled here and should be respected…
I totally agree!
I agree! Well said!
Hi Bob, I just wanted to pick your brains a little if that is OK? I arrived in Davao from the UK on a tourist waiver in May 2015, I obtained an ACR-I card in July which expired in July 2016, I want to bring things up to date and ‘get legal’ if possible because I’d really like to make Davao my home.
I had some personal issues last year that caused financial problems and renewing my ACR-I just got away from me, now my money situation is on an even keel again I’m really keen to make good on my responsibilities.
I’d appreciate your advice on what is my best course of action. If you’d rather I take this up with you on a professional basis then just say and I’ll e-mail you.
Hi Les, after you entered the country, did you ever do a Visa renewal? Or have you been here on the same Visa, un renewed the entire time?
Umm, I got a stamp at the airport and then a sticker when I got the ACR-I card. I’m not sure how the sticker is meant to relate to the card, there is nothing on the BU website, at least nothing I can find!
I’m sorry, I have really bad news for you. If you came here in 2015 and never extended your Visa, you have been over staying for nearly two years. The law is that if you overstay on a tourist visa for more than 12 months, you will be deported and will never again be allowed to enter the Philippines. If I were you, I would probably hire an immigration attorney here and see if they can help you, but I think it’s doubtful. Good luck to you.
Hmmm, that is bad news, I paid for the visa when I got the ACR-I card though didn’t I?
I must say I’m a bit confused about how the card works then, it expired last July, about 9 months ago.
Can you recommend an attorney to have a chat with?
I’m very grateful for your advice, even if it isn’t what I wanted to hear.
Yes, you paid when you got the ACR, but that was only for another 60 days! That 60 days expired in 2015 and you have been illegal ever sine. Sorry about that.
Sorry I don’t have any attorney recommendations.
I didn’t realise that it was a separate thing, the card is 12 months, I assumed that as I paid so much that the visa was the same. Well thank for your time Bob, I appreciate it, I will try to track down an immigration attorney.
Thanks for the input.
An ACR I-Card is not a visa. It is only an ID card. It is required for you to get if you are in the country for over 60 days, but it is nothing but an ID. The visa is a totally different thing.
Thanks Bob, I now realise that, again, thank you for the advice, I’m very grateful.
Bob already succinctly pointed out that a VISA and an ACR card (while both are usually required if staying a long time), I wonder about the “one-year” ACR card? My original ACR card and subsequent renewals have thus far been valid for 5 years. What’s with the 1-year ACR card, does the validity of the ACR vary depending on type-of-VISA, does anyone know?
A tourist visa ACR card is good for one year. A permanent Visa ACR is good for 5 years. That is the difference.
Hello Bob,
My mom overstayed here in Manila for about two years. She is a green card holder. Two days now, she is still in HK, I don’t know why the immigration hasn’t let her leave yet. My mom doesn’t really tell me the full story. What’s the worst thing that could ever happen to her?
To be honest, I can’t understand at all what you are saying. You say that she has overstayed, and Immigration is not allowing her to leave. But you also say she has been in Hong Kong for 2 days. If she is in HK, that means that she has already left the Philippines? I have no idea what you mean, sorry.
Hello Bob, how’s it going?
I have a question about being an iCard holder and as a mother to my 9 year old US citizen daughter living here in the Philippines. Does my daughter need to get an iCard as well? What happens if we decide to leave the country? Will it be considered as overstaying (brought her here about 9 years ago). Any reply will be gratefully appreciated.
Have a nice day?
Any foreigner who is on a tourist visa or 13 Series resident visa is required to have an ACR I-Card if they are in the Philippines for 59 days or longer. So, yes, your daughter is supposed to have one.
If your daughter has been in the Philippines for longer than her visa allows (you did not tell me what type of visa she has) then she is indeed overstaying. She would be overstaying regardless of whether she has an I card or not.
Since, I believe, you are a Philippine citizen, why don’t you just apply for dual citizenship for your daughter? If you do that it will make all visa issues disappear.
Hi bob,
I am a Belgian citizen(Belgium). I have been extending my tourist visa for 14 months. Some links on the BI website state that I am only allowed to extend my tourist visa up to 16 months while others are stating 36 months, I am confused. Should I prepare for a visa run at the end of the 16 months stay? Or continue my extensions up to 36 months?
Patrick, these last couple of years and especially most recently, Phillippines BI (Immigration) changes their rules and procedures at whim, no notice and with much confusion. Ultimately, *we*, the “foreigner” will and must pay whatever is demanded on any given day dependant on the surprise demands that particular day.
It’s foolish to expect Bob or anyone to be aware of the now constantly changing daily rules, procedures and *surprise* penalties. Best advice for anything such is to attend at your local BI office with a wad of cash and all the documents you might have available. They may ask you for more, which *they* have in their file for you and then direct you through a convoluted long-distance chance for copies – and then – back to the local BI office and hope and pray and beg them to permit you to follow the law – the LAWs-OF-THE-DAY, and oh, it’s all changed and you owe yet more penalties even you did your best.
Go to BI to discover the LAWs-OF-THE-DAY on any given day. Sigh, it’s getting too crazy, especially from what others post here to also tell us. I *WISH* BI would post their regulations, specific requirements of-the-day and penalties for surprise non-compliance. Such is life in the Philippines today, NOT like before. The longer you’re *legally* here and the more complex your adherence to the laws, the harder it is for you to go on, crazy as that may seem.
Bobs’ advice for those fresh is good. After that, read above, and have your good attorney on retainer, just in case you need him (and consult with him as needed). No joke. You may have a valid VISA – PROVE IT anytime you must.
The information on the BI website is outdated if it says that. They changed the law, I believe in 2012, so sometime in that time frame.
well I guess the right thing to do is to check “BI’s rules of the day in Manila.”
Thank you for the heads-up Ed!
One way or another, you must take care of this, or you will never be able to leave the Philippines.
I would advise you to go to the Bureau of Immigration office in Davao (across the street from Victoria Plaza) and see what you can do. Hopefully you can just pay the fines.
hi
i like to ask if i overstay for about two years and do not have the money to pay.. what will happen and what can be done?
Most likely you will have to spend some time in jail, and when you do leave the country you won’t be allowed to come back again.
hi bob,
i would like to ask i overstay for about 10 days now and my last visa was May 28 of this year, i came here was April 2, 2014 i always extend my visa every 6 moths and i want to extend another 6 months but the immigration told me to go out last may 28 but i did not go out due to problem,i have a heart failure and now i need advice or help please im here in davao city what must i make please help me…thank you…from walter of germany
What I would recommend is that you should go to your doctor and ask him to give you a note stating that because of your medical condition you are unable to leave the country at this time. Take that to the Bureau of immigration and see if they can give you leniency do to your health condition. You may be required to write a letter to the commissioner of the immigration, if they ask you to do that do so. Good luck to you. Don’t let this get out of hand.
thank you Bob…
hi bob ,
I am us citizens but i was born here in phillipines,my mother brought me in the US last 2010 and i went back in manila last january 2015.And i stay here for 2 years.I am planning to go back there now but i have a financial problem because my mother and i are not in a good shape. but i also want to apply for dual citizenship..may i know if how much it will cost?
i am a naturalized Filipino by birth and acquired my Canadian citizenship on Oct. 2015. My kids and I came to the Philippines on Nov 2015. As i have learned, Canadians can stay up to 1 year… in my case i overstayed for 7 months now.. how much will I pay and how can i avail the balikbayan privilege? thanks!
The information you have is incorrect. Canadians can stay for up to three years, as long as you extend your Visa at the appropriate time.
Bob, (I’m not saying your wrong at all) but less than a years ago a Canadian citizen by birth told me that the Canadian government told him he could only stay out of the country for 6 months per year. They told him all that supposedly free Canadian stuff in Canada (health care, child monthly allowance) needed to be paid for. So he needed to return to spend his money in Canada. Then they’d collect sales taxes, etc.
The question that was asked was not about Canadian citizenship. It was a about how long the Philippine government will allow them to stay. There was nothing asked about free benefits medical or anything else from Canada. The Philippine government will allow them to stay for three years on the tourist visa waiver. If that causes problems in Canada, that’s not what they were asking about.
thank you for your information.. i will extend my visa on tuesday and probably prepare the requirements for dual citizenship.
Correct…but that was not the question. My Canadian retired relatives do the same 6 month in Philippines and 6 months in Canada.
Can you please help me with answer to the following query.
1. How much is the extension fee for the Student visa in Philippines? (student above 21 years)
2. How much is the penalty if delayed?
3. How long one can I delay without extension procedure being done?
4. Do I need to submit the original documents or only copies?
Hello my wife and kids recently hold by immigration office because of overstaying . They ask us to make a payment of penalties which we can able to pay but they still hold us because they don’t accept our payment and they want it to be settled in there immigration office . I just have some questions . These kind of instances happen twice unfortunately the immigration officer handled it differently . 2 years ago my wife and 3 kids together with my dad all of them holding a us citizenship overstayed in the Philippines for more than a year and ask to pay a travel payment by the airline officers which they do and immigration officer let them go without any problem. They payed only a travel pay of 6k pesos . No question ask. Today my wife and 3 kids together my dad was hold by immigration officers and advice ask to make a payment for the overstaying of 2 years . 42k pesos for my kids and 17k pesos for my dad. The airline did not even ask us to make a payment for a travel tax which they should not since the previous incident due to they are holding a usa passport. Another thing my wife is holding a documentation as dual citizen which when we apply it at Philippine consulate in Chicago nobody advice that we need to secure also documentation for our 3 dependents . And another thing how come in the first incident nobody from the immigration office advices my wife that they need to secure documentation for my 3 dependent . It’s just frustrating that the immigration said that the one who process my wife and kids on the first incident make a mistake and he even told us to the extend that the one who do it make a malpractice . The same issues with 2 different approach .
Here are the things I can tell you in regard to your coment.
1. Two years ago, travel tax was required. Now, though, it is included in your ticket. It is no longer collected at the airport.
2. I don’t know the citizenship situation of your dad, your wife, or your kids, but based only on your name (it sounds Filipino), it would seem that it might be possible that your family members could be dual citizens. If they obtain dual citizenship, they could avoid all of these penalties, and could stay in the Philippines for any length of time that they choose without any costs for staying.
3. At the time that your wife applied for dual citizenship, on the application there is a place where she could list your children. If she did not complete that part of the application you should inquire at the consulate in Chicago to see if they can help add your children as dual citizens.
4. Since I was not there at the time, I really don’t have any idea why the first incident was handled differently than the second incident by the Immigration officials, sorry. I do understand the frustration.
hi bob ,
I am us citizens but i was born here in phillipines,my mother brought me in the US last 2010 and i went back in manila last january 2015.And i stay here for 2 years.I am planning to go back there now but i have a financial problem because my mother and i are not in a good shape. but i also want to apply for dual citizenship..may i know if how much it will cost?
My situation: I entered in 2012 with a balikbayan visa (entered Philippines with wife). Through carelessness and not fully understanding the consequences, I didn’t attempt any renewal through 2017, which meant I was expired in 2013 and thereafter illegal for approximately 3 1/2 years.
Why was I so stupid? In the past I was renewing my visa and, to my surprise, while doing so I saw many foreigners who had overstayed. One guy hadn’t renewed in 15 years, yet there he was renewing, What I was unaware of is, at that time, there was an amnesty program they were all taking advantage of. That program expired long ago. By the time I realized this, I was overstayed a year already.
My biggest fear was being blacklisted and not being able to see my 3 kids for over a year. I’ve read that if you stay over a year, its mandatory referral for blacklisting. Today I am fully legal again.
Here is how it happened. It started out as a friend who knew a friend but quickly escalated into a “fixer” type of situation. That friend’s husband is a foreigner and got expedited processing of some of their paperwork, I overheard it and mentioned my situation in hopes of perhaps getting some advice. From that point, all control seemed to leave my hands, that couple contacted their friend, their friend contacted their contacts inside immigration, timelines were outlined to resolve the situation, fees were expected and it was horrifying not knowing whether it was legitimate or not.
It started with me being asked for 20k pesos for a lawyer to petition Manila to have myself removed from the blacklist. I was told this is only possible because I had a good “story”, I was married with young children who need their father. They sent in a story that wasn’t entirely true but I didn’t have a chance to proof read it (they even got the gender of my children wrong). But it apparently worked, they got the response back that I was removed from the blacklist after three weeks.
Next, I was asked for an amount that I will obfuscate a bit because I don’t want to be identified … let’s just say it was an amount between 170k and 210k pesos. This was for all fees, what I would have paid normally plus fines, to slip in a brown paper bag for it to be handed to the people in charge. It was horrifying, though it was a friend of a family friend it really felt like a shakedown. After much thought, we decided to go through with it because (as risky as it was), me being blacklisted for a year and moving to the US would have separated me from my kids and been far more expensive.
The passport was stamped with an exit date. We received official receipts that totaled approximately half of what we paid (assume that the other half went to the people in charge who decided to accept the petition, not blacklist and give a clean slate to leave/reenter the country). We received help on getting my police clearance, the “not on blacklist” letter, exit clearance (ECC) and ACR-I card all in that price.
We left the country, came back and now my passport has a new balikbayan stamp good for one year. It was a horrifying experience, but in my case it happened to all work out, and I consider it well worth the price. I am convinced that I couldn’t have avoided the blacklist any other way. By far the best idea is to keep your passport stamps current.
Hi Boris, as you obviously know, what you did is illegal. I am glad things worked out for you, but I would caution anybody else from taking this path. It could make a bad situation even worse for them.
Thanks for sharing your story.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/87ad28d8eb80cf4ce6564a55a68b96cf75a00c146da6c040db571657daf69841.jpg Hello,
Just want to share my mom experience today at the BI main office Manila. She overstayed in the Philippines for 31 months. The process was quick, 1st you need to request a form from at the PUBLIC INFORMATION ASSISTANCE UNIT desk. After you fill it up return to them and they will give you a number. They will direct you to the assessment window counter and wait for your number. After your number is called go to the window and they will check the form and will direct you to another window counter ( for her it was window 31 – overstay for more than 12 months.) The OIC will instruct you to have a photocopy of your passport bio-page and the visa stamp page, a 2×2 picture and Affidavit which explained why you overstayed ( We got the affidavit beside the Immigration building at the back of BDO bank). If you got all the requirement just return to the same window and wait for the person in charge to call you. The OIC will show you the order of payment slip and instruct you to come back in 2 weeks and pay the penalty.
They will hold the passport till you return in 2 weeks to pay the penalty. The penalty was PHP 42,471.50 for the 31 months overstay and another PHP 15,000 which will need to be paid only at the airport when leaving the Philippines.
In regards to your first question.. you cannot do any paperwork for your son’s US citizenship. Your son can only become a US Citizen if his father applies for his to be a citizen. You have no rights to confer US citizenship on your son, only his father has that right.
Regarding question two: I don’t think there would be any problem but you should carry his birth certificate which shows that you are the mother.
HI Bob,
I’m a Korean and currently residing in the Phillipines for 13 years now, since I was 6 years old, I’m 19years old now. Because my mom and dad( both Korean) got separated in the Philippines and we lived together with my dad only here in the Philippines. I don’t have any papers or whatsoever like birth certificates. I only have my expired passport. What are the things I should do to make my living here in the Philippines legal since it’s not my fault that I overstayed here. Am I facing jail time? Thanks please I need help.
Hi Carl, sorry to hear about your situation, that’s not good. If I were in your situation, what I would do is firstly I would contact my mom. Since you said your father doesn’t have any of your documentation, I would assume that your mom has those then, am I right? Contact her and see if you can get things like your birth certificate in any other documents that she may have. That is important. The next step in my opinion would be to get a Philippine attorney who specializes in immigration. I’m sure he can help you in his much weight as possible. I feel in this case it would be better to have an attorney involved rather than trying to do it yourself. Good luck to you, I hope everything works out.
Hi my son is an american citizen who overstayed here in the philippines for 6months now, does anyone know how much roughly is his penalty for overstayin
Should be around P3000 plus extension fees.
Thanks bob! Do you any idea how much is the extension fee?
Hi Bob been here 10 months overstay Davao I’m a Brit. What’s the likely payment I will have to pay for fines visas and clearance. And is there any way to lessen it. Got a bit sick for a while and I’m not so close to any immigration office. Any help to be prepared would be useful it will be Davao office thanks bud
Hi Bob I am from the Uk it is my first stay in the Philippines have overstayed my visa by just over a month i had a few issues with my bank back home which have now been sorted.. can you tell me 1. will it be a case of me just paying the fines and i can stay in Manila (is there a risk of them kicking me out) 2. what fees and changes in total am i looking at to get up to date (this will be my first renewal. thanks in advance.
Hi Bob I am from the Uk it is my first stay in the Philippines have overstayed my visa by just over a month i had a few issues with my bank back home which have now been sorted.. can you tell me 1. will it be a case of me just paying the fines and i can stay in Manila (is there a risk of them kicking me out) 2. what fees and changes in total am i looking at to get up to date (this will be my first renewal. thanks in advance.
Since you are more than a month of overstaying, you should expect that you will pay around P1500 for the penalty. Plus you will have to pay the regular extension fee which is around P3k.
Hey guys, I currently have the tourist visa beyond 59 days (Somehow i still didn’t get my ACR-I Card yet) and I am planning to leave the country on 27th Sept. My question now: my visa expires on 2nd Sept – is it cheaper to apply for another month (I think this time it’s around 2.6k) or pay the fine when leaving? Thanks 🙂
Three is no such thing as a 1 month visa extension, except the first 29 day extension, but you said your visa is already beyond 59 days, so no 1 month extension would be possible.
You must go for a 60 day extension.
If you wait and go to the airport it will be more, because you will pay the 60 day extension plus the penalties as well, so you will pay more. Just go extend it before it expires, that is the best you can do.
Hey Bbo,
thank you for the fast and helpful answer. I thought it would be that way (fine+extension) but some people told me different stories – glad to have an approval now. Kinda forgot about the 60 days steps – it would have been the 5th month. (1 on arrival + 29 days + 60 days and ACR-I application).
Thank you again.
Hi bob, i have a question, my baby was born in the philipines april 2016 and we report it crba after that. She was converted as us citizen now. How much is the penalty for overstaying in the philippines if i’m going to bring her this month in the uS? Thanks for the answer.
Hi, what are the fees for overstaying for 6-7days. Person received arrival stamp 3 aug and immigration wrote 2 September. Person’s exit flight out of the Philippines isn’t until 8 September. What will the fine be?
There is no fine, just extend your visa before it expires. You will have to pay the normal visa extension fee.
Hi Bob. I have a question. My sister and I have a multiple entry visa. We can stay up to 59 days at a time. However we are planning on staying in the Philippines for 75 days. We dont want to leave the country. Any suggestions? How much of a penalty would we get?
Hi. I have a friend who have been staying in the Philippines for more than 15 years now. He has a family in the Philippines and can’t be deported and blacklisted. What is the best thing that he can do?
Not much he can do. If he has overstayed for 15 years he is going to be deported and blacklisted. Not much choice.
Hi Bob, I’m 20 yrs old now and my passport expired last 2003. I grew up here in the Philippines and I wanna go back to the US. Do I have to pay the penalty of overstaying? Because its not my fault that I was overstaying. My dad is gone now, My mom’s a Filipina. I came here in the Philippines I was like 1-2 yrs old.
Given the things you told me, yes, you will have to pay the penalties that are due. However, you said your mother is a Filipina. Do you not qualify for dual citizenship? If you can obtain your Philippine citizenship you will owe nothing.
They didnt apply me for dual citizenship, so first I need to do is I have to get dual citizenship?
You don’t “need” to have dual citizenship, but it will save you a lot of money. Better start applying!
Ok big thanks Bob!
I don’t know enough about the case to give an exact number. However you should expect it to be around 500 pesos for each month plus all visa extension fees that are overdue.
Hi Bob i have frnd Japanese , and the parents both are filipinos but the child is nihonggin he overstaying 2years .how much the penalty ?
And if he paid the penalty it’s okay he come again in the phillipines ?
Hi
You mentioned the magic number… 2 years. You said he overstayed 2 years. If he has overstayed for even a day less than 2 years that is much better than if he has actually overstayed exactly 2 years or more than 2 years. If he actually has overstayed 2 years or more, it is automatic, he will be deported and blacklisted. If he is a bit under 2 years he can go pay the fines and can return.
Not exactly 2yrs
How much penalty Bob , if 1yr and 9months
How much the penalty every month Bob ?
You should expect it to be 500 pesos for each month plus you will pay all of the late is it will not pay when they were supposed to be paid.
So how much the paying late Bob ?
Hi Bob,
I am a Filipina, waited for more than 20 years before we got our Immigrant visa approved. I, my husband and youngest son were petitioned by my sister in law. To make the story short, I am supposed to be in US by Jan uary 6, 2017. Is there any way we can extend for some few more days since my eldest son will get married on the 11th of January? I know how important to us the opportunity to be granted with immigrant visa but it is also very important to me as a mother to be in one of the most special day with your son.
Hope you can help me with my querry? Please help. Thank you so much and more power.
I am sorry, you have misunderstood what this article is about. It is about overstaying visas in the Philippines. I don’t have much knowledge about US visas, I know about visas for foreigners who want to live or stay long term in the Philippines. Sorry, I have no information about what you are asking me about.
Hi Bob,
Just wanted to bring up something that was brought up to me today. I have been living in the Philippines as a tourist for almost a year. Usually the thing to do when I want to stay longer than a year is to leave the country for a day and come back, so I exited.
I went to purchase my round trip ticket to Hong Kong and now there is a new rule that will end up with Hong Kong Immigration wanting to see that I have a ticket leaving the Philippines before I can board the flight. Some new all-Asia rule.
So the only solution I know of is to buy a ticket going back out (Manila to Hong Kong to Korea, for example) and just get a refund for the last part.
Do you know about this new Asia agreement?
I am sorry, but you are incorrect on several things.
Firstly, you do not have to leave after one year for a trip out of the country. You can stay up to 36 months (3 years) on a tourist visa waiver. So, there was no reason for you to leave at the end of 1 year.
Secondly, the rule about an ongoing ticket leaving the Philippines is NOT new. It has been in place for at least 25 years (that I am aware of) and possibly longer than that. This has always been the law, but it has not always (and still is not always) enforced.
Thirdly, it is not Hong Kong immigration that will look to see your ongoing ticket. The people that will want to see it is the people working for the airline that you will be flying on, because the enforcement of the law is basically their job, and if you arrive here without your ongoing ticket, they will have to pay to fly you back to Hong Kong (or wherever you came in from).
It is not an “all-Asia” rule, it is a long standing law of the Philippines.
You do not need to buy another ticket back to Hong Kong. You can buy any ongoing ticket to any country outside the Philippines. I even offer a service to help people with this, you can find it here:
http://ThrowAwayTicket.com
I hope this is helpful to you.
I talked to someone else who does this all the time and the secret is not to use the Flag carrier: Philippine Airlines.
LOL. If that is what you think all i can say is good luck
Heh, heh, heh….not using PAL is probably a good thing regardless of the reason!!!
Yes. I have searched every where on this subject but just now think this gave me part of my answer. My fiancé was detained immigration. Hes in Nigeria by the way. But he overstayed his buisness visa by accident. Plus he can’t cash his paycheck down there. So he says they want let him leave until he pays the rest of sum taxes which is $1,740. And I dont have that kind of money. Until he got home. So Im so worried and dont no wat to do. Any suggestions please. Im so lost.
I am sorry but if he is being held by Nigerian Immigration I can be of no help. This site is about the Philippines. I know nothing about Immigration in Nigeria.
My dad overstayed in the phillpines for 16 months he has been sent back and been blacklisted he had the funds to pay but had a problem with his bank card he tried going back 3days ago ready to pay as his son was due to be born they sent him back to england saying he had to pay here now were having trouble finding how too please help me
Hi Bob,
I’m a naturalized US citizen born in the Philippines. I came back to Philippines last December 2014. I have overstayed here for almost 2 years now (December 15 will be the 2nd year). I was wondering if I could just apply for a dual citizenship to avoid penalties and such? I have documents such as Philippine birth certificate, old Philippine passport etc.
Yes
Hello Bob, good day and how are you? My name is Will and I have a question for you, if you have the time? You sound like a Philippines Visa expert, trying to get a hold of a consulate Rep. is very difficult at the moment. I was told at the San Diego PI Extension consulate that the the LA consulate is hectic right now because of the LA Fires. Im an USA citizen and planning on vacationing in the Philippines from December 14 and returning to LAX on Jan 30. I misunderstood the visa requirement, that I have 30 day, not 59 day. I have already booked my flight and really want to stay in the PI for my planned 47 days. If I arrive at Ninoy Internation Airport and don’t change my purchased current ticket that has 47 days on it, will they let me in the country, and let me file an extension while Im there? Or will it be a hassle where I have to either rearrange my ticket down to 30 days or be sent back to California? I have read about the overstay visa form and Im going to fill it out and submit it before leaving. I don’t want to rearrange my flight, tho I will if necessary, or just rearrange altogether for another country in the area that has easier Visa extension entry. In you expert opinion, how do you think the best way to proceed given the information? Thanks for your time Bob and have a good weekend
Cheers,
Will
Everything you are doing is completely within the law. You will have no problems. Test file for a visa extension before you’re 30 days has been completed.
Thank you for saying that Bob, I was getting scared. Im definitely going to bring a copy of everything I submit with me to the airport, anything other than the basic Passport & Proof of Departure you would recommend I bring with me for PI Custom/Imm. incase someone there is having a bad day? Do you have a patreon, or similar, account so I can send you some cash for a 12 pack? I can totally throw you 20 bucks for your time. I promised my parents I wouldn’t go more south than Apo Island, so I won’t be in your area. Cebu, Malapascua, and Apo are my diving destinations and then Im going off word of mouth from locals and other travelers for the best reef and big marine animal viewing with respect to the time of year. Thanks again Bob, and have a nice day.
Cheers,
Will
Hi Will,
The only thing you should need is your passport and you will be good to go. But, in the Philippines, the more you have in the way of paperwork the better, so I would not discourage you in bringing extra over and above what is needed. If you experience any problems, feel free to contact me any time.
I do have patreon, but you are under no obligation. If you wish, here is my Patreon Page:
https://www.patreon.com/MindanaoBob
Take care and enjoy your trip!
Hi Bob,
What has worked for me in the past in a similar situation is a Visa On Arrival. I ask for a Visa On Arrival at the immigration window upon on arrival at the airport, prior to the immigration officer stamping my passport. Within 15 minutes I have a 29 day extension. (The cost is around P3,000, and they want peso, not dollars.) In about the same time my luggage arrives and I am good for 59 days!
Regards,
Frank
P.S. I really enjoy your web site and the valuable information you disseminate. Keep up the good work!
Relax Will the airline insures your exit ticket before leaving the US date is not important just that you have an exit ticket once here and near your 30th day go to local imigration and get your 59 day extension around 100 US that’s it No big deal my 6th time here with extended stays I have never had a prob [email protected]
Hi Bob, I’m eligible to get a 14 day visa free entry to the Philippines. I enter on 15th Dec. How are the 14 days counted? Is the day you arrive also counted? However on account of wrong flight booking, I will be departing on 31st Dec thus overstaying about 2 days. What will the penalty be approximately?
Hi, Bob. My husband, an American, got a stroke while staying here in the Philippines and half of his body was paralyzed. His visa already expired two years ago. I am his wife and I don’t know what to do. Please advise.
This could be a big problem. The Bureau of Immigration policy is that if a foreigner overstays his visa by 2 years or more he will be deported and blacklisted. It sounds like your husband has been here for 2 years or more past his limit. You can appeal and see if they will give special consideration due to his health problem. Most likely, though, they will say that you should have gone for him and kept his visa up to date.
Hi, Bob.
Can you kindly advise me what is the best thing i have to do, please. Thank you.
Check with an attorney.
We are here in general santos city Can you recommend an attorney who can help us, please?
I am sorry, I don’t have any recommended attorney in GenSan. Ask around to family and friends in the area. Good luck.
If he gets deported, will that be immediate or it takes time? Will he be tortured by immigration before deported?
Hi bob…we have a very difficult problem with My American bf …his overstayed now for almost 8 years now in the Philippines …if he gonna pay for his overstayed and back to his country me and our daughter can we go with him to US and get married. Please help me
He wont me file for a fiance visa for you. One step visa issues you can then go to the United States.. it will probably take between 4 to 8 months for the visa.
Hi! I knew of someone who is a daughter of a Filipina who stayed in Germany for marrying a German national. They bore a daughter there who became a German too of course. When they gor separated, she bring home the german kid here in the Philippines when she was 5 y.o. Until now, the child is already 22 and had a 2 y.o. son when she had a relationship with a Filipino male. Is there a violation for her? Thanx and Godbless
If she has been in the Philippines since she was 5 years old and is 22 now, then it sounds like she would be overstaying here.
hello bob, i have a friend who overstayed more than 2 years here in the philippines and he’s a filipino/american citizen what if he has both passports of the ph and us? . will there be any penalties if he leaves the country? .
hello bob, i have a friend who overstayed more than 2 years here in the philippines and he’s a filipino/american citizen what if he have passports from both countries? . will there be any penalties if he leaves the country? .
hello bob, i have a friend who overstayed more than 2 years here in the philippines and he’s a filipino/american citizen what if he has only an american passport? . will there be any penalties if he leaves the country? .
If he does not have proof of philippine citizenship he will have to pay.
he has proof but he doesn’t have a birth certificate coming from PSA .. he only have papers and receipts from the 90’s of being a naturalized filipino citizen ..
I suppose a long term overstayer could always leave the country by boat to Malaysia or Indonesia and continue from there. Then get a new passport before coming back.
Generally i would say that your comment is naive.
Hello Bob
I’ve been here 12 years on mostly 9-G visa and, since I’m still working I recently applied for Permanent Residence Visa and was granted Probationary status which lasts for 1 year.
I’ve built a wonderful life here with Filipina wife and little boy. I suppose I am offering a couple of words of advice for long-staying ex-pats who value the lives they’ve built here in the Philippines: 1) Follow Philippine law….not just in immigration matters, but in ALL matters. 2) That includes paying your taxes as required. 3) Avoid ANY “official” interaction with law enforcement if at all possible.
I offer this advice from the perspective that it is easy to get deported and blacklisted. What ex-pats may feel is a “minor” hedging of the law, may be so in their home country….but are considered serious offenses here. A minor issue can destroy the life that you have here. While is can be a trial dealing with Philippine bureaucracy at time, the alternative is far more painful!
Great comet. Spot on with your advice.
Compared the other countries, The Philippines has a VERY liberal visa program. Excepting dependents, anyone who can’t figure it out ought not to be in country.
Hi Bob:
My Balikbayan Privilege runs out on March 1st. 2018 and my wife and I are off to Davao to get a new Visa. I may be a little slow so could you explain a few things to me? As I live in Bislig City to go to Davao every 30 days would not only be inconvenient but expensive so what is the longest Visa I can get? We will probably be going to Thailand later in the year so will my Balikbayan Privilege void whatever Visa I get in Davao and start a one year stay again?
You can easily convert your Balikbayan privilege to a tourist visa, which will allow you an additional two years to stay in the Philippines. Your initial visa will be for 30 days, at which point you will need to extend for 29 days. After that, the extensions will be 59 days, or you can extend for six months at a time.
If you leave the Philippines, as soon as you exit the country, whatever visa you have will no longer be valid it will be void.
When you reenter the country, as long as you are with your wife, you may once again avail of the Balikbayan privilege for a one-year stay free of charge.
Hi Bob,
What happens if you’re a permanent resident but then move away and your ACR-I card expires? Can you return on a tourist visa for a visit under 21 days?
Thanks
I am currently almost 11 months overstay. After I got here I ran into problems with my monthly pension and wasn’t able to renew. Now I got everything situated and is prepared to pay. Any ideas on how much I will have to pay and will I have any trouble staying here. I estimate my fee may in the ballpark of 35K.
What if I payed all my fees and the immigration gave me a letter saying that it appears that I’m not in there blacklisted or in there bearu does that mean I’m OK to return cause I payed all my fees
I even payed my exit fees I stated I lost my passport why I couldn’t pay and they allowed me to get my passport and extend my stay until I finish my process I stayed four months to finish everything
So I’d like to know if my letter says that there appears that I’m not in the breau and blacklisted in the system does that mean I’m OK
I wrote a few weeks ago and now my comment is not here and I didn’t get a response so I write again. I came here to the Philippines last year on January 15 and was supposed to extend my visa February 13 of last year but due to a few mishaps and financial hardships I was not able do it. But now I am back on my feet and I am 11 going on 12 months late paying my fees but I am now ready and prepared to pay the 30-35000 pesos. After I pay do you think I can stay here in this country? I just had a child and I want to be around for my daughter. I would be so hurt if they made me leave and blacklisted me. What do you think sir? Please give me your insight on this situation.
Better go pain now before you get into more serious trouble. Sensor overstay is only about 12 months you should be able to continue staying in the country.
Hello bob, i have question. I am a pilipina with srilankan husband i send my 1yr old daughter to pinas carrying srilankan passport and with a tourist visa only. Now its been 2yrs my daughter is in phil. How much will the immigration charge my daughter for overstaying? She is only 3yrs old now..please respond.
Hi bob.. Im a japanese and my 36 months is going to end on march. I need to exit and back to japan but i don’t have money to buy tickets. I sell only food for living with my wife and son i don’t have enough money to buy a ticket. What happen if i v. Can’t back to Japan?
If you don’t leave the country before your 36 months expires you will become an illegal alien and there will be trouble down the road. It might take years before they catch up to you, but trouble will come your way.
You said you and your wife sell food. If your wife is Filipina, why don’t you apply for a 13A Resident Visa? With that you can stay here forever without ever needing to leave the country for visa purposes.
Hi I’m holding trv visa but I’m having business in Malaysia but my wife and son are stying on Philippines now my Visa just expire while I was in Malaysia and when I wanna renew my Visa it’s take very long time to extend the visa and I can’t stay for that longer . Now when my Visa expired while I’m not in the philiPPhili can I still apply for visit visa from philiPhilip embassy and visit my family or can’t ? Please advise me . Thanks in advance
Hi all.My question is I have over stayed with my visa by 15 months. I know I will have to pay a penalty fee. I have been told that the fact I am living in the province it is easier to sort out. I would just like to know what is the best procedure here, any advice would be greatly appreciated and thanks in advance
Go to the BI, tell them what is going on, pay the fines. Do it now. If you overstay for 24 months you will be deported and blacklisted.
The laws in the province are the same as in the cities.
thanks Bob will do it asap. thanks for the advice
I have a friend in Cebu… He has Overstayed about 3 Years plus a few months… He wants to Leave and move to Thailand. He wants to go and pay his Fine at the Airport on his departure date… Will he Be arrested, or will they let him just Pay and Leave… Blacklisting is Not an issue… Being able to leave and Go to his destination of choice is… Deportation to his Country of origin is NOT what he wants to happen.
he just told me “there is a deportation order. Ask if I can pay at the airport or if I have to pay before or if I really need a lawyer.” He will Fly to Thailand direct from Cebu airport.
Thanks for any advice.
No, he will have problems at the airport. Better to either get a lawyer (my recommendation) or go to the BI and clear it all up.
Hello Bob: Having lived in Thailand for thirty years I followed their Visa System to the letter so I could always have the privilege of staying there. Now that I am in the Philippines with my wife I have applied for an ACR-1 Card and am just waiting for NBI Clearance. Canada and many other countries who look down on Thailand and the Philippines as so called “Third World” Countries could take a lesson from them with the way they control people, illegal and otherwise. I have nothing but respect for these countries for guarding their borders and the people who are allowed to be here.
Yes, I fully agree! You are right on the mark.
Hi bob ….
My situatui … meet a girl sid she was single eeded uo sokaing money in her propties . Its om no big loss. Ince she knew i was on my way out the door sve filed a fake police repirt ( i was taking vedio whole tine ) charges all dropped .
Now i come to find out i was put on a watch list immergration wont drop it wont let mw renew vis now im 10 daya past due … immergration told me pay 300k pesos ro drop watch list ? What gives ?.
Sounds like somebody at Immigration is trying to scam you. Ask to speak to the head of the office, or go higher if necessary.
Hi Bob my son went to manila on a trip nearly 3 years ago he now wants to come back to the UK I,m told there will be fines etc to pay for this overstay can I ask for your advice about what this will cost and how I should go about paying this for him thanks
Hi Brian – I don’t have enough information to say how much it will cost. Depends on when he last extended, what kind of visa he has, etc. The best thing you can do is pay it, or he won’t be able to leave and the costs will just keep piling up. You could send the money to your son via Western Union or some other transfer company. Good luck to you and your son.
HI Bob
My friend is from the UK and has now been in Manila for nearly 3years he had originally been a visitors visa for 30 days but now wants to return home I can pay charges for him but he is afraid to go to the airport in case he is arrested what’s the best way aye to deal with this situation and how much do you think it will cost thanks
If he goes to the airport he will be arrested. He needs to go to the Bureau of Immigration office, find out how much the charges are and work that out with you. He may be detained, it depends on many factors. However, he needs to work it out.
Can you tell me where that immigration office is in Manila do you know thanks bob
The Manila Immigration office is in Intramuros.
Hi Bob,
I am a Filipino worked for 5 years and married to an Azerbaijan woman. We regularly travel back here in the Philippines every 3 months and stay for 15 days then come back again in Azerbaijan.Last June 04, 2017, me and my wife finally came back here in the Philippines as my work was finished. She came here with a multiple visit visa valid till March 14, 2018 with a allowable stay of 59 days. I had an option to convert her visa to temporary resident visa but she got pregnant by August 2017 with complexities which somehow wont allow her to travel to Manila. She is schedule to deliver our baby by 2nd week of April 2018.
I was too busy applying for new job and mending her needs that i somehow neglect to process her visa extension.
Only now i realised that she is in potential serious situation by overstaying here in the Philippines.
If i would start counting from 59 days (2 months), she has more or less overstayed for 8 to 9 months now.
I am willing to pay whatever penalty, but my worries are possible deportation and her being blacklisted.
Any advise from you is highly appreciated.
Cheers,
Aris
Hi Aris, I don’t think there will be any major problems. 8 month overstay is not that serious. Just go pay the fines and get her renewed. Since you are married you should inquire about getting her a 13(A) resident visa too! Then she can stay permanently, as long as she likes.
Bob,
Thanks, this info really relieved my worries.
Regards,
Aris
Hi Bob,
I am a filipino but a permanent resident in canada. My kids are both canadian citizen, 5yrs old and 3 yrs old. They arrive in the philippines october 2015. And now i am going to get them back to canada nxt week. Haven’t paid the visa extensions yet because our job is here is not permanent. We always got lay off. I wasnt able to apply dual citizen because my kids documents are with my mother. Now i don’t have a job because the company i work was close. How much will i pay? I hope you can help me
You will pay a lot. Better to just get busy and file the dual citizenship.
Hi” bob
i have TRV VISA (13A) visa and I renewals for two time and now is expiry on 10 DEC 2017, and i cant leave my wife and tow children’s , but in the same time i wont to know how much will be the fine if i wont to pay and exit ? or what the good option!!
Hi” bob ( Why no reply)
i have TRV VISA (13A) visa and I renewals for two time and now is expiry on 10 DEC 2017, and i cant leave my wife and tow children’s , but in the same time i wont to know how much will be the fine if i wont to pay and exit ? or what the good option!!
( just i wont to know how much i will pay from my expiry TRV visa day 10/12/2017 to my exit day will be on 25/04/2018)
Thanks too much
Why no reply? It is not like I was paid to reply. I don’t know the answer to your question. If you want to hire me to do consulting, I will do the research, just let me know.
Thanks for reply Bob , just now i know why you not reply !! should be you tell me before so I can pay! . what the price of your consult in my case and how can i pay to you ? I’m in manila
Hi Bob,
Pls adv us the best thing to do. My cousin is a US Citizen and got married last 2009 from then, he stayed in the Philippines . So he is overstaying for almost 10 yrs. They already have 2 kids and they are planning to visit USA but we don’t know what to do or the process of the overstaying. Need your help on this.
Thank you.
In Addition, pls adv do he need to pay.
Was your cousin ever a Philippine Citizen? Was either of his parents Philippine Citizens?
It seems that some users of this forum do not think enough about Bob Martin and the fact he uses HIS time to answer questions on this thread PLUS on many other threads and receives no money for so doing – you can see by reading his replies that he is satisfied enough just with helping people finding solutions to their problems (even though he is asked the same question a multitude of times!) and appreciates the gratitude he sometimes receives. He produces a large amount of books on a wide variety of topics concerning life in the Philippines which he sells as part of his business BUT rarely will you see him mention them – but they are there for those who want more information. In fact, I purchased his manual before moving to the Philippines and it was the best money I ever spent. So, all I ask is: Read the thread before asking a question and you may find it was recently answered; Respect the time and effort Bob Martin puts in; Remember that he is not compelled to answer your question, so do not get annoyed if he does not do so. Just think if you would spend hours of your time answering questions from strangers, day after day, for no monetary gain. Bob Martin is human like the rest of us, he has a family and has other things to do – he has had his illnesses, recovered from them and got back to helping us all. He is an inspiration for his positive attitudes to living in the Philippines and his often expressed love for his family. So from all of us, a VERY BIG ‘THANK YOU’ BOB MARTIN.
Mike, thank you very much for your very kind words. they are greatly appreciated.
Good morning bob,
I married a Turkish woman since 2016 and she wants to work here in the Philippines. Is that possible already? Since I married her is she automatically a citizens of the Philippines already?
Hope that you can reply
She is not a citizen. She can only become a citizen if she gives up her Turkish citizenship, and it takes years to become a citizen.
Whether she can work here depends on what type of visa she has.
Hi bob,
My bro went to Philippines to study in 2005. After completing his university study as civil engineer, he wasn’t able to renew his visa anymore.
As he is a Christian arab and can’t go back to his country because of the issues there, he was forced to overstay in Philippines since 2010. Just recently we realized that there is a huge fine for overstaying for that long and he doesn’t have any saving to pay for his fines.
For his situation, is there any way to reduce his fines, fix his illegal status and make new visa for him to stay? To whom can we ask in Philippines? We also doesn’t have an embassy in the Philippines to go to. Also He doesn’t have any criminal record in or outside Philippines. Just overstaying his visa.
You advise is highly appreciated.
Most likely he will just have to pay what is due.
hi bob,,
have a good day to you
i’am a filipino citizen i have my live in partner he is from US
he overstayed for 11months but after that he got a embassy loan.. so now he already come back in state.
my question is can i still pay for it and he can probably return in the Philippines as well after i payed?
hope i can hear you soon sir, thank you for reading
You did not really give enough information for me to be able to give you a solid answer. For one thing, you did not explain how he was able to leave the Philippines without paying his fines. I would recommend that you go to the Bureau of Immigration inquire, pay any outstanding fines and ask them if he can return. Hope everything works out for you both!
Hi i’m a swedish with swedish passport, i’m i got som question about the “Tourist Visa Waiver” i get at the airport. The Tourist Visa Waiver will allow me to stay 30 days in the Philippines. And when my 30 days is nearly up, i just go to the Bureau of Immigration office and pay some money as you say above in your blog here. And you say i can keep extending my visa until you have been here for a total of 36 months. But is it realy that easy? Don’t i need to show a return ticket out from Philippines everytime i go to the Immigration Bureau? And don’t i need to show prof of money to support my self? And do you know how much this litle fee is to renew it the “Tourist Visa Waiver” Regards from Sweden
The system works exactly as the article says, not different.
You NEVER need a “return” ticket. You will need an “ongoing ticket” (not the same thing) upon arrival, but never again. Going in for extension does not require anything in ways of an ongoing ticket.
Hi Bob i’m a pakistani citizen, Im married to a filpino. we both live in kuwait and work there. after the born of my son he stayed 3 years with us and after we send him to philpino on pakistani passport as tourist visa. but since 2 years he is there and we didnt even make renew visa for him or extended it. now my question is how much will be the fine and we want him to stay there only with his grand parents. Thank You God bless you.
I am sorry, Pakistan is a non-visa-waiver country, and I do not know the visa laws applying to Pakistanis. Unfortunately, I cannot be of assistance to you.
Hi Bob,
I am a naturalized US citizen and Filipino by birth. Since I did not lose my Filipino citizenship status when I was naturalized, can I still get a Philippine passport without applying for dual citizenship?
Part of becoming naturalized is that you lost your filipino citizenship.
Hello Bob, I am presenting this question on behalf of an acquaintance that somehow I befriended here in Southern Philippines. Basically he is US citizen (US passport expires in April 2019) and has been in PH for approximately 7 years. He is married to Filipino but has been separated from her for 5 years. He lives in PH and she lives in USA. He has overstayed Visa for many years and seems to think that he can renounce his US Citizenship and become PH Resident to avoid paying overstay penalty. He is not employed and has no means of funds available to him. He can not leave PH because of Overstay and does not have the means to pay Thousands of dollars for penalty. What is his best option to avoid jail?. He does not want to LIVE in USA and wants to stay in PH. Can he apply for PH residency if illegal and overstay VISA by years? I do not see many options for him. He does not have access to money in US or in PH. Looking for best option. thanks
Hello Patrick – Sorry to say, but your friend has no options. The only way he could become a Philippine resident would be through an SRRV Retiree’s visa, but given that he has overstayed so long he would never get that, also the SRRV costs money, which he doesn’t have. If he is caught he will be deported, and quite possibly jailed before deportation. The only option I can think of for him at this point is to go to the US Embassy and request help. If he will agree to self-deportation, sometimes the US Embassy can negotiate with the Philippine government where your friend can avoid the penalties. Then he may be able to obtain a loan from the US Embassy to cover his airfare home. If they loan the money (which they do sometimes, but not always) they will confiscate his passport until the money is repaid.
Good luck to your friend. He faces some tough choices.
Hello, Bob! I am a US citizen born to Filipino parents. We moved here around Aug 2006 and started a life here while dad worked in the USA as an ofw. However, he recently passed away. Am I considered overstaying even if I try to apply for a PSA birth certificate? I want to live here forever and start my life here, but after finding out all about this, I am a nervous wreck. I am scared since we don’t have thw money to pay since we’re poor and all that. 🙁 What should I do? Any advice?
I am not sure what a PSA birth certificate is, I have never heard that abbreviation. I am assuming that is some kind of Philippine birth certificate?
To become a dual citizen, Philippines and USA (I assume you were born in the USA since you are a US citizen, but you did not say), you need to file a CRBA (Consular Report of Birth Abroad) with the Philippine consulate that serves the part of the USA where you were born. Once you have your dual citizenship, you cannot be considered as overstaying.
Ohmygosh. Thank you so much for the reply. I have thinking about this for weeks now and has made me depressed. Yes, I was born in the USA while my parents worked there, but they are both Filipino citizens up to this day. Yes, that is what it is, the PSA that I was talking about. Foes that mean all I need to do is file my ROB here in Manila (since I am of legal age now, I am 21) and I’ll be safe from any fines?
Hi bob, i am filipino but not a dual citizen anymore.. i have stayed in the philippines for 9yrs and i found out i have to pay such fines to leave.. then i paid every cent.. and now im back in U. S.. However I would really like to go back to the philippines.. if I go, would I have a problem dealing with the immigration officer there?
Hi Grace. You say you are “Filipino, but not a dual citizen.” Does that mean you are only a Philippine citizen, or you are a citizen of some other country (US?)? If you are a Filipino citizen, you should have never paid any fine for staying in your country of citizenship.
You also did not say how long you overstayed in the Philippines. If you overstayed for a long time you may be blacklisted.
You just did not give me enough information to be able to give you any answers.
hi bob i have a live in but he overstayed already and we have a daughter but in her livebirth the hospital put that her father is a pilipino what should i do ,? thankyou
Why would you like on your daughter’s birth certificate?
I have no idea what to do about your live-in partner, since you did not say how long he has overstayed.
hi bob pls give me advise what to do i have a live in partner his american we cant get married m
Good day, Bob! How are you? I do hope you can help me with my question. My husband and I are both pure Filipino’s up to this day. Our daughter, however, was born in the US while we were working there making her a US Citizen. Back in 2006, we moved back here to the Philippines with our daughter because life wasn’t that easy for us in the US. However, after just recently finding out about this overstaying, is my child considered overstaying even if she was born to us Filipino parents? She entered the Philippines using a US Passport and has been here for 12 years. What do I need to do since my husband passed away a few months ago and we do not have the money to pay for such large fees. Thank you and God bless.
You need to go file a CRBA (Certified Report of Birth Abroad) at the Philippine Consulate who serves the area where your daughter was born in the US. After that has been filed, she will be eligible to file for dual citizenship.
Thank you so much, Bob, for getting back to my reply!! This website of yours is truly helpful to us all. However, I have one more question for clarification. Even after filing the R.O.B she still needs to apply for Dual Citizenship? I thought that since we are already both filipino’s, she is already considered a dual?
She will lose her Philippine Citizenship when she acquires US Citizenship and must apply for Dual. That is not the way I would do it, but I am not the President of the Philippines. That is how they do it here, so you gotta follow the policy. Good luck.
Oh. She is already a US citizen however, born from us being both Filipino I am sorry if my words are confusing. She is a US citizen and I want her to become a Filipino citizen so that she can stay here without any charges since we do not have the money. But since we are both filipino, that makes her dual already, yes?
But thank you so much once again
I recently overstayed due to my US passport expiring and having to wait until my new one showed up in (2-3) weeks to extend. I was in contact with immegration the entire time. The penality however was 1010 php a month, not 500 php. I got it all fixed inside the first month of overstay. Most important thing, stay jn contact with them. If you are overstay go in and fix it. While doing research during my overstay there were people that were many years overstay and got caught up. Immigration accepted payments. Dont ignore it.
Hi Jason. The actual penalty part of what is owed is P500 for each month of overstay. There are other fees to pay as well, but those are not the penalty portion.
Glad you handled it in a responsible way!
BTW, for those readers who do not know, if your passport has less than 6 months remaining, as a foreigner staying here, you are supposed to get it renewed right away.
Hi Bob, thanks for your helpful article. Do you know if it’s still possible to pay the p500 fine on departure at manila airport? It’s cheaper for me to do that than travel to the nearest immigration office but my friend told me she doesn’t think it’s possible to do that anymore so I’m a bit worried. It’s a 5 day overstay on my first tourist visa. Thank you!
It is usually possible for a short overstay, but not always. If you elect to do that, and they say they won’t allow it, then you will miss your flight and be in for some rigamarole. Best to do it the right way if you can.
Hi Bob thanks for the advice. I tried to extend twice now but the system has been down. I’m reluctant to travel tomorrow without knowing first that it’s been fixed – travel alone is a 10 hour journey – but my visa expires on Saturday so I don’t know what to do. Do you have an email address for immigration? I’m wondering if I should contact them to explain but would prefer to have communication in writing in case I need to show it. Would appreciate any advice! Thanks
Hello I been here in Philippines since April 4 this year and am overstay will I be banned from coming back in
If you go and take care of it you won’t be blacklisted. If you are here 24 months overstaying then you will be blacklisted.
Hey Bob, Thanks for this article. It’s very informative. I’m a US Citizen and I recently had to renew my passport. This was my 1st time doing so, so I didn’t know they cancelled the old one and you’re left without a passport awaiting for the new one to arrive. I need to file my 6 month extension by Tuesday and I still have not received my US Passport in the mail. Do you know what my options are? Can I take my old passport to the immigration office along with the receipt and printout of my new passport that should have already been shipped to me? Will I need to wait and pay the P500 fine? Also, if I need to wait and pay the fine will I have any problems when I leave the country and try to reenter?
Thanks in advance.
In most cases, if you go in with your old passport and the receipt for your application you will be fine. However, the only way to know for sure is if you go do it. Good luck!
Hello Bob ..I have a American boyfriend. He overstay 5 months from his expiration date ..What we gonna do? .We can pay bigger amount for this?
What you should do is go pay the fines and get this cleared out as soon as possible.
Dear Bob,
I have over stayed in the Philippines with expired student visa for 7 years. Somehow I was able to leave the country legally by paying fines and penalties in July,2018. Currently I am trying to uplift my name from the Black List. Unfortunately I have 2 black list orders which are over staying for more than a year and faliur to comply with the LEAVE TO ORDER as I was not able to pay on time.
1.How long will it take if I let my name automatically uplift by letting the time deal with it?
2.Any idea how much i should pay to unlift my name on each black list?
Your kind opinion is highly appreciated.
hi bob I’m pakistan national I cam here as a tourist first 4 month I renew my visa but now 32 month already I didn’t renew my visa and I want to go back my country, so what I do now please help me
You will. Need to go pay the fines due.
Hi Bob! Good thing I found your website. We have an odd situation here. I have a friend who’s overstaying for 13 years now. She was born in US and now she’s planning to go back. Her parents brought her here last 2006. Her parents were not able to file a report of birth abroad to the consulate that serves her place of birth. Can she still apply for a dual citizenship? And what are the things that we need to do aside from paying the overstaying fee? Thanks and God bless!
She should apply for dual citizenship. If she is successful there will be no fines due.
Will there be a chance that BoI would notice her overstaying here in the Philippines? If they do, how much would be the estimated fees that shee needs to settle? Thanks
They might notice. I can’t say how much the fines are based on the information you have given.
My son half korean half pilipino just 3years old and stay here philippines more than 2years do i need go to imigration?
If your child is half Filipino he should be eligible to become a dual citizen. If you take the steps to acquire his dual citizenship there should be no problems about overstaying.
I am here waiting on a fiancé visa which we’re 3 months and now 5 months. I got a 6 month visa extension which the agent said was multiple entry. He sold me a I-card and extorted extra money as well.We took a vacation out of the country and came back. Are these 6 month extensions multiply entry or not? Thanks
No, as soon as you leave the country the visa extension becomes null and void. When you re-enter you will get 30 days.
Nice to meet … I have been illegally staying in the Philippines for six and a half as the title says. I compare it to marry a woman, but I am living in the form of living together with disabilities inevitably abandoning my marriage. There is also an 11-year-old son now and I’d like to make amends for the entry to the Philippines soon.
First of all, if you pay the penalty for illegal stay, it will be said that you will issue a visa and how much will you be charged in six and a half years. I am worried because I was speechless like I was talking about people at the embassy alone. Also, since the persons at the embassy accompany you to the immigration office, it was recommended that you should return home by compulsory withdrawal. Of course it was said that you can not re-enter Japan …
I am sorry but I appreciate your cooperation.
Of course, there are no criminal records in the Philippines.
I am sorry to hear of your troubles, Kenji.
Since you have overstayed that long, you will be deported and blacklisted. That is the procedure after 24 months of overstaying.
Good luck.
Hello Bob I just will add some information reading and collecting information and also I will ask you something is important and maybe some people will like to knows.
If you are overstay in Philippines less 1 year
Or overstay 1 year it’s depends if you didn’t cross the 2 years. I was reading for Filipino 2 years is 1 years 6 months or 8 I’m not sure. Continue with it u will not be deported and blacklisted. If you are overstay more than 24 months you will be deported and blacklisted and leave Philippines.
If you are in Philippines less of 36 months and you are overstay of less 2 years you don’t have to leave Philippines at least you have more than 36 months. Btw.
My question is one person is overstay for one year 4 months, does he has to leave Philippines and he can back after 24 hours. Or he can pay the fee on BI and don’t need to leave Philippines follow the process of overstaying less 24 months and 36 months.
Additional information
500 penalty per months
Additional AI CARD
Additional penalty month
For example if you are overstay 1 year and 4 months you will pay around 25,800. Plus additional of 15,000 like around 42,000k in total my only question if we have to leave Philippines or will be a process normal if I request for extension 1month.
They will give you your passport after 72 hours or after 4 days.
No is always like 20 days or 10 days.
If you overstay for 24 months or more you will be deported and blacklisted. Under 24 months, then you can pay the fines. If you have been in the Philippines for 36 months and then overstayed you will need to leave and return, because 36 months is the maximum stay.
Hi, i am currently in the Philippines visiting my wife and family. i had no idea about the visa process until a few days ago and i have overstayed by almost 2 months. how do i go about fixing this mess i have got myself into so i can leave on Wednesday without getting sent to jail?
Overstaying for 2 months will not land you in jail, but they won’t let you leave until you clear it up. Go to the Bureau of Immigration. Bring your passport. They will asses you the penalties and get you up to date.
Hello bob, I applied for dual citizenship last January at this time I have not heard from bureau of immigration, my 12 months balikbayan privileged expires in a week, do I need to file a extension?
A Balikbayan Visa cannot be extended. You can convert your Balikbayan to a Tourist visa and use that for the next 2 years. You will have to do that or something else to remain legal.
Hi I’m Angie 19 years old turning 20. I am a US Citizen I am living in the Philippines for almost 20 years. I don’t know how to get back to my country, Iam just a student and doesnt have work. Please tell me what to do. Thanks God bless!!
Hi Angie – You really did not give me enough information to help you out much. Can you answer these questions:
1. Do you have a US Passport?
2. What type of visa do you have to stay in the Philippines?
3. Is your visa current, have you been paying the appropriate fees over the years?
Thanks!
Hello
Can u help me that what will happen to me
I came Philippine almost 20 months ago.. And I got married with some Filipina.. And after I built a house and I made a business for my wife.. That time I could to always go emigration to extend my visa.. Because I could to receive money from my country every month…
But after 11 months my country went under sanctions of America and my family couldnt send money to me because of sanctions of our banks.. Then I stopped to go emigration..
I thought the rules of emigration in Philippine is same America or Europe that if u marry with some citizen of their country u can also get citizenship or in the end if you do not extend your visa they will deport u…
Now is 9 months that I didn’t extend my visa since my son was born
Now what should I do because its impossible to receive money from my country IRAN while my country is under sanction
Since you are married to a citizen, you can apply for a 13A Permanent Resident Visa. Then there are no extensions.
For your current situation, you need to find a way to pay what is owed. If you go 24 months over overstaying you will be deported.
Good luck.
Hi Bob, my brother is currently in Philippines, he has a South African passport. The problem is that he had a AEP visa which expired Dec 2018. When he went to the Immigration office in Davao they informed him that he had overstayed over 1 year. He had to pay to be allowed to stay in a Philipino custody until I arrive at the end of April to go to Manila Immigration to pay for the fines of overstaying. He wasn’t aware that he had overstayed. In total he has been in the Philippines for just over 6 years now. He has a consultant job offer in Kidapawan with the Government but has to sort his visa out. What are you views of the outcome please..
Hi Cheryl – Based on the information you gave, it would seem that you really have no choice bot for your brother to pay the fines. I would just recommend that you make sure you get an “Official Receipt” for the transaction. If they issue an official receipt you can be sure that they are not skimming money and that you are paying the proper amount. Good luck.
Hi Bob, I’m arriving in the Phillipines on the 31st of this month andeaving on the the 30th of next month. Its a day over the 30 day tourist visa? Will I get stopped when leaving and made to pay fines or is it up to their discretion? Cheers
Yes, you will get stopped in find, that is if you don’t extend the Visa before it expires. Make it simple, just go to the bureau of immigration before the Visa expires and extend for another 29 days. When you do that it will mean that you will have no problems at the airport.
Hi Bob, I have a question. I’m a US passport holder. But I was naturalized here in the Philippines, my father passed away back on 2016 little did we know that he never took care of us or the overstay fee. Last time I left was to Guam back on 2012 I’m scared going to jail knowing that I’m innocent and I had no knowledge on what’s going on. What should I do since me and my brothers are the only ones left here. And it’s already, 6 years since I left financially we don’t have that. Is the repatriation loan still applicable on this kind of trouble?
Since you are a former Philippine Citizen, just go apply for Dual Citizenship and all of your troubles will go away.
Hi Bob, I dont know how to make my story too clear enough for you to understand.. but i dont know if im an american citizen. i went to america when I was 4 years old. my parents got married the year 1989, and i was born in 1991. my dad started his job in the us navy in 1987, he became an american citizen in 1990.. and my mom became an american citizen in 1994. in 2002 they renewed my passport because we had a vacation in 2003 here in the philippines.. in 2005 i came back here in the philippines because this is where they want me to go to school. until then i never asked them if i was going back un the us. my father just past away last month. i never asked them if i beacame an american citizen, i never really noticed what my passport was because i was just a child back then. i nearly ever talk to my mom beacause of misunderstandings. from the info i gave bob do you think im an american citizen. ?knowing that the children citizen act 2000 was approved when i was 10 years old and i had my passport renewed in 2002 but dont know clearly what my passport was if its still a foreign passport or a us passport.. please help me..
there is no such thing as a foreigner passport. If the United States renew your passport, and you have a United States passport, then you are a US citizen. There is no question about it.
i mean to say philippine passport.. is there other ways to find out what my citizen is? besides a passport? because all i can remember was my parents processed a new passport in united states in 2002.. i just couldnt recall what color the passport was..
Honestly, if you don’t have any kind of documentation, I know of no way to find out.
thanks bob, i guess talking to my mom would be the best answer to it..
hi bob, i have another question in mind.. what if i overstayed and got married in those years that i overstayed here in PH? Will it affect going back to the US?
Nothing would be changed.
even if i changed my new last name in my passport?
You have a lot of questions. If you wish to continue, please sign up for my consulting service at this link:
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Hi Bob,
I am/was a Philippine Citizen, I have been in the Philippines for nearly 10 years now and I just got issued a British Passport (gained citizenship through registration) in October 2017, My Philippine Passport is expired and I have not registered to become a Dual Citizen, can I still leave the Philippines to go back to the UK on my UK passport or will I run into problems at immigration at the airport? I plan to apply for dual citizenship at the Philippine Embassy in London as I have been told that some people have had to wait more than a year when applying at the Bureau of Immigration in Manila. I may have to travel in the next few months as my Mother is going through Cancer treatment overseas.
Cheers
You can certainly do that, but you’re going to owe a lot of money, 10 years of overstaying fees. Why not just apply for dual citizenship?
Thanks for replying, I only gained my British Citizenship in 2017 (my father is British and I was a permanent resident in the UK before that), I moved back to the Philippines 9 years ago, I did not know that gaining British Citizenship means I automatically lost my Philippine Citizenship, I only found out recently, as I mentioned I may have to travel in the near future to visit my Mum, and I have heard applying for Dual Citizenship at the Bureau of Immigration in Manila could take a year.
I understand all of that. I don’t understand why you ask me a question and I give you the best answer I can but you argue against me. Do whatever you think is best, if you don’t want my opinion then don’t ask.
Good day. I have this friend who already extended his stay but not paying for the fines and penalties due to circumstances just like being abandoned by his Filipino father. The family of his father has the capability to pay. Unfortunately, there is no help coming from his father and his family. He has to look for a job to provide food, clothing for himself. Is there a chance for him to go back home because his mother is still alive and she is in mexico but he do not have any other options or solutions to resolve his problem. Could you give me an advice?
Sir, I am Indian came in Cebu Philippines with on arrival visa on May 24 2018, now I need to go back to my country, what is the procedure and how much will be my penalty, Pls help, when I gone to Cebu Immigration they said that I have to go Manila Immigration, Pls advice me what I should do now.
Regards Pimy
Sit, I am an Indian Citizen came in Cebu with on arrival visa on 24th May 2018 to visit my Girl Friend. I haven’t do visa extensions or any thing for my stay here, Now I need to be proper papers and also I need to visit my country too. When I go to Cebu Immigration they said I need to be at Manila Immigration. Pls advise me the procedure and how much will the penalties, will I be black listed? Pls advice .
Hi Bob,
What happens to a minor (US passport, parents are not Filipino) if he is overstaying for more than one year – deportation like adults, blacklisted or not, even if I can pay all the fees for him? We don’t want to leave the country.
Is there a way not to be deported if overstay is more than one year (adult or minor) by paying all the fees? Thank you.
The penalties are the same for minors or adults. If he takes care of this before his overstay is 24 months, he will not be deported.
Thank you for your prompt reply. Can you tell me where in the law is written 24 months? I ask because I have read, deported if overstay is more than 12 months, on this link, Section “Overstaying Foreigners”: http://immigration.gov.ph/2-uncategorised/234-honorable-secretary.
I am afraid, he will be deported right away if we go to the immigration office (I am overstaying too, but less than twelve months, because I had been abroad after our arrival in the Philippines). What is your advice? We hope to stay here.
Bob, please help regarding the 24 months you wrote in your previous reply. Is this a law, where can I find it? Thank you.
That is the policy of the bureau of immigration.
Is this not in conflict with this law text: “Foreigners who have overstayed for more than twelve (12) months regardless if their stay is within the maximum allowable period or those found to be overstaying by virtue to a complaint or Mission Order regardless of the period shall be referred for deportation.” Text found here: http://immigration.gov.ph/2-uncategorised/234-honorable-secretary.
I don’t understand. We are afraid that he will be deported right away when going to the immigration office, as he is overstaying more than 12 months. Do you know any cases where someone was able to extend his stay after more than one year overstay? Or how can I get this information? Thank you.
You asked for my advice, I gave it. I have 20 years of experience living in the Philippines. If you don’t want to take my advice, no problem. It is up to you. I have given you the information that I know.. it is up to you to decide what to do.
Hello BoB.. I lost my passport and got stuck here in the Philippines for 5 years i got my family here now and i want to fix my problem but i am afraid i can never come back here again
Your fear is justified. Probably you should hire an immigration attorney to assist you.
If i hire a immigration attorney do i have a chance to turn back to the Philippines for overstaying for a lost passport for 5 years what do you think ?
I think that is the only way you could possibly have a chance.
Okay thank you very much Bob
Hay Bob I overstay my 3 yr time period . .not my fault I had 2 plane tickets to leave the country . Both canceled for different reason..last one due to earthquake . .hahahaha…so what is going to happen..now I can’t leave untill 15th of may due to other reasons..help
You better go to the bureau of immigration and work things out with him. depending on when the last time you extended your Visa was, you may be in serious trouble. Go there and work things out.
Hi Bob , my cousin is half filipino and half japanese she spends over 15 years here in the philippines
she was born in japan… what will happens to her?
well, she’s going to owe a lot of money in penalties, and she will probably get deported from the Philippines. However, why doesn’t she just apply for Philippine dual citizenship? That would solve all of her problems.
Hi Bob,
We came here in Jan 2018 and planning on going back to the US by August 2019z. Just two questions.
1. Will we need to pay penalties for staying? My son and I are dual citizen. But my wife is not. She does have a US passport and also a Philippine Passport.
2. Which passport does wife my use leaving the Philippines and also coming back to the Philippines?
Thank you
Hi Leonardo – What you have said does not make sense, you will need to clarify.
1. You have been there since 2018. What type of visa did you enter on? Have you kept your visas up to date?
2. If your wife is not a dual citizen, how can she possibly have a passport from each country? Only citizens get passports.
If you all have Philippine and US passports there is nothing to worry aobut (current passports), just show both passports when you leave the PH and there will be no problem.
Hi Bob,
We came in on a balikbayan 1yr visa, but didn’t extend.
As for the 2nd question. You are right she is dual. Are you automatically dual if you were born here in the Philippines? You don’t have to file for dual citizenship?
I am a Filipino and a mother to the 3 kids.my questions my 2kids overstay in the Philippine for over 2 years I paid the penalties for the over stay and the officer advise me not to fly via cebu or Manila,but instead get direct flight from Davao City to Hong Kong.it is expensive and I have bought the ticket via Cebu.further more she also told me that my kids might get hold at the cebu immigration while changing flight to their destination?what should I do?its confused me a lot.
That sounds quite fishy to me, I don’t know what is going on. Did you get an Official Receipt when you paid for the overstay?
My father-in-law was in the US for 20 years and became a naturalized US Citizen. Two years ago he returned to the Philippines with the intention of staying there permanently. Now he needs to come back to the US to take care of some personal business and then return to the Philippines. I booked the necessary flights and then my wife mentioned that he cannot just come back without paying a $200.00 penalty. I then did some research and discovered that he was going to have to pay at least $1100.00 because no one did anything about extending visas, etc. The family in the Philippines recently took him to the “B of I” in Manila where he was informed that he couldn’t leave the country until he had a Dual Citizenship in place which would take at least 2 to 3 months. The paperwork has been filed. Now I’m wondering since he already is an US Citizen wouldn’t it be possible to just pay the fines that are due and then come to the US and then finish the processing of the Dual Citizenship at the Philippine embassy here?
Everything you say is correct. Now that he has already filed for Dual Citizenship in the Philippines he cannot just leave and finish it in the USA. He has to finish it where he started it. He could have paid the fines and gone to the US and then applied for dual citizenship there, but it is too late now.
Hi bob! I do have a problem. I was here in the philippines back in 2002 (that’s when I’m only 7 yrs. old that time) and at the same year, my mom couldn’t process my passport as it was for being lost (according to my mom someone stole it from our house.). And this year by june 2019 I may be able to get back my new passport that was lost long ago (back in 2002). And I am already 24 yrs. old, not yet married and I do have 2 kids (1 yr old boy and I am now 8 months pregnant). How much will my penalties will cost? I am illegally staying here in the phils. My mom is a filipina and my dad is a dual citizen (usa and philippines). And i was wondering if i could apply for a dual citizenship to lessen my penalties.
Hi Len-Len – If your Mom is a Filipina, just get dual citizenship. Then your penalties will be ZERO. Good luck.
Ohh thank you! God bless you
hi bob.. i had lost my permanent icard and was applying for new one and the lady helping me applyed for toursist visa and shod have applied for permanent residence. So i had to supply my marriage papers which was no problem and i sent my first wife marriage papers and divorce papers from 15 yrs ago..I didnt know and was never informed if I ever divorced I wod have to report it to immigration. Since i didnt know i continued to just always report to immigration every year and renewed my permanent icard every 5 yrs. But this time when i sent my marriage and divorce papers from my first wife 15 yrs ago they said i owed over 500.000 peso cuz i didnt report my first divorce. I had also married a second time and didnt know i had to report so i been fined that money and told if i cant pay it i go to prison. But then they said since i had no money to pay to go to U.S. embassy and U.S. embassy did a waivier for me so I didnt have to pay but philippine immigration will deport me.. so will they buy me ticket out of philippines since they took my ticket i had purchased and couldnt get on flite cuz i was being detained? Would like to hear from you as still waiting going on 3 weeks for immigration to inform me I can leave.. and i dont have money to buy ticket but my friend wil loan me ..thank u
Hi Jim, I’m very sorry to hear this. It is correct that when you got divorced you should have reported that and converted to a tourist visa, because you were no longer eligible for a permanent resident Visa at that time. I don’t expect that the Philippine immigration will pay for the ticket, it will shock me if they do. Good luck to you.
Hi am Lilah from Cebu,I have British boyfriend,he came in Philippines 4 times and stayed only 26 days his last time visit ,and now he decided to stay here with me for good,but he dont have idea what to do or how to work it out coz i don’t have idea too.Can you please give me advice what to do so he can stay here for long time?What we need to do and how much we need to pay? He’s not a pensioner yet coz he’s only 64 years old and need to wait 2 years so he can get his pension.Thats why he decided to live here while waiting he can get his pension.Please give me some ideas,we plan to get married but we dont know what to do first,or what options that he cannot pay much money about his visa.Thank you !
Since you are not married, at this point his only choice is to keep extending his tourist visa. He will need to extend that at 30 days, 59 days and then every 59 days. It will cost him about P3,000 or so on each renewal. Some renewals are more, some are less, but it will average out to around P3k per extension.
After you marry, he can then apply for a 13A Permanent Resident visa and stay forever.
Hello.
My son is currently in the Philippines right now. He is 25 years old and wants to apply for dual citizenship. He was born in the Philippines but renounced his Filipino citizenship and is currently a US citizen now. How can he get dual citizenship.
Thanks
Hi Bob
If I enter Philippines on nz passport then extend Visa up to one year then leave philippines and return to nz for 1 mth can I then return to Philippines and start my extended Visa for 1 year over again and continue doing this ?tks Brett
If you come on your NZ passport you can stay for up to 3 years. If you leave after 1 year that is no problem you can leave anytime you want.
The day you leave your visa ends and you have to start over again when you re-enter.
When you come back your clock is back at zero, and you can extend again for up to 3 years.
I hope this helps.
hello! My son was born in the US. When he was 2 years old my ex-husband brought him home to the Philippines. My ex left leaving my son to me. He is now 5 turning 6. So he technically is a
Minor who overstayed. I
Have come home and decided to stay in the Philippines for good. Since coming home
I’ve gotten dual citizenship. How can I fix my son’s situation? I want to be able to bring him out of the country on vacation.
When you applied for dual citizenship you could have included your son. I would go to the Bureau of Immigration and let them know of the situation and ask them what the options are. I know of several options, but they can tell you the best one in your situation.
Am on 3 years overstay. And I have a deportation case. I have filed a civil marriage with my Filipina girlfriend. Will I get a marriage certificate? Or marriage contract?… Will this overstay and deportation affect my marriage?
Hi Bob i have a friend who is overstayed here for 6 months.. he cannot pay his penalties coz some of his friends took all his monies can he ask help from US embassy? for him to go back his country?
Sure he can ask.
Hi,i’ve been overstaying for 9 months,so i have to pay 9x 500 php ? thank you:-)
That is how much the penalty will be, but you will also have to pay the fees that you should have paid each time you needed to renew.
Hi. I’m from Australia and am wanting to stay for a longer period in the Philippines than 30 days. Looking at 6 months. So reading this article, On a 30 day tourist visa, I can go into the immigration office and than ask for a longer extension and pay the fee and then I can extend it. I can do this to up to 36 months? Is that right?
Yes, the article clearly says that.
Hi Bob, I just entry’s Philippine in Cebu, they only gave me 14 days visa free, expire 26july but i leave at 1 Aug. I am staying in Cebu till 15july then traveling around till 28july back to Cebu ….what’s the best option for me? Go JCentre Mall extend visa on 15july let them keep my passport till I back Cebu? Can I still check in hotel just show a copy of it? Or just let the visa expire and pay the fee at departures? Thanks in advance!
What country are you from?
hello I’m Neneth, i have my son as a US citizen but he will born here in Philippines, and he did not a dual citizenship yet.! do i need to fill up about dual citizen and if there other fees that i need to pay for his staying here in Philippines for 5 years ?
Hi Nenteh – What you need to do now depends on what you have done so far. If he was born in the Philippines, did you then file a CRBA at the US Embassy? If you did not do that then he is not yet a US Citizen and you will need to do that. After the CRBA is file, or it is already filed now, then you will need to go to the Bureau of Immigration in the Philippines nad file for re-acquisition of his Philippine Citizenship.
Hi Bob I received a visa while in South which is valid till Aug. 9
I arrived 23 Mai and they stamped vaild till22 June… I fly out 5 Aug. Does that mean I have overstayed? It is extremely confusing as my visa was quite expensive and was told I can live till the 9 aug
Yes, you are overstaying. You need to go to the Bureau of Immigration and file for an extension.
Hi Bob. My bf arrived here in the Philippines on February 13, 2019 with Tourist Visa valid for 30days. We fell in love and we are still together up till this moment, July 22, 2019. He did not renew his Visa for 4 months and now he decided to take action. We don’t know where to start.
1. How much will be the fine? ( French National)
2. Does he need to go back or go to another country and come back here to renew his Visa?
3. Is he gonna be held for this?
I am hoping for your immediate response. Thanks.
Very easy to fix. It won’t be a big problem because he is only 4 months overstayed.
Just go to the Bureau of Immigration and file for an extension. He won’t have to leave the country until he has been there 36 months.
Hi bob. My father in law overstayed here for 21 years already. He is 81 years old. We have plans of getting him back to taiwan to have a medical consult. Does the immigration has special procedure for elderly? Like discount? I went to immigration and said it could be more or less $10000 dollars fine already.
Thank you for your help.
Evangeline
There is no discount or special procedure that I’m aware of. Sorry, good luck.
Hi bob, can i ask one question my daughter she was born in Phil and i am Philippines citizen i get her Indian passport last June 2019 do i need to pay penalty before she leave in Philippines
If you don’t have your daughter set up as a dual citizen, you will have to pay when she leaves. If you get her dual citizenship, there will be no payment due.
Bob i want to bring her this coming Aug 2019 to Indian how many month i need to pay for penalty but i get her Indian passport last June 2019
Go to the Bureau of Immigration, they will tell you how much you owe.
Hi Bob i was student visa and stop study right now and My visa expired For 10 month an now i have contract from Company for can make working visa .. how much gonna pay and what trouble i Will have
? Or just pay For my 10 month visa with penalty and apply For working visa?
I dont have a visa i have a passport and i have been here 3 years i get a 2 month extention for the past 3 years what happens now
If you enter the Philippines with just your passport, when you renew it you will then have a 9 a Visa. It is impossible that you could be in the Philippines for 3 years with no Visa. Good luck to you.
Hi, we’re planning to go to the philippines (with a canadian passport) and just realize that we booked a ticket for 31 days (march 20 landing and departing april 20) Is it gonna be a lot of trouble if we dont have a visa?
no, it won’t be a hassle at all. But you will have to spend around 75 u.s. dollars to extend your visa for 30 days. You cannot extend for one day, 30 days is how long you have to extend for it.
Hi Bob, I made arrangements to visit the Philippines for 59 days so initially it was 30 days and intended to obtain a visa for an extra 29 day. But I have miscalculated the dates. My flights are booked to come home after 60 days, do you think that there would be any serious problem at immigration in the Philippines.
no, there won’t be any serious problem, but you will have to spend the money to extend your visa for another 59 days after that.
Hi.
My SO is Korean and we applied for visa extension yesterday. While in queue, the officer asked us what will be the reason for stay and said doing business instead of will be doing business. She and her head thought that we are lying when I tried to clarify it up.
So I told her everything that he is here for visit and tourism and that he plans to make a business but he is not working here or anything.
She said she will approve the visa for now but we will see again each other about next extension.
I worry that my SO will be denied and sent to jail. He isn’t working here and not doing any business. His family is sending him money for his living expenses here.
I worry about the next visa extension.
Have any of you encountered this? Any advice? Thanks in advance
I don’t expect there would be any problems. If you are worried, maybe go to a different Immigration office next time.
I don’t see any reason why he would be in jail, he has done nothing wrong from what you say.
hi.bob im a US CITIZEN AND MY SON TOO HE WENT HOME IN THE TO TAKE CARE OF HIS GRANDMOTHER WHICH IS REALLY SICK AND DIED LAST YEAR. AND ALSO HE GOT MARRIED THERE. THEN HE WANTS TO COME BACK HERE IN US. IS THERE ANY PENALTIES FOR THAT
You did not say how long he has been staying there, is he passed the limit of his Visa? Also, the way that you ride, it sounds like he might be a dual citizen, is he? All of this will have an impact on whether or not there are penalties due.
Hi Bob, I am overstay ICR for 7 years how to process?
Go to the bureau of immigration, that’s all you can do.
Hi I’m American been living here for over 5 years. I have to leave next February. Problem is I had an accident 7 months ago an was told I may never be able to walk right again after surgery. I can’t bend my knee enough to sit on a plane. Even though I have been doing exercise every day. So what happens if I can’t leave (get on a plane). I’m living in Dumaguete if that matters. Thank you.
Hi Bob, thank you for this helpful article. I wanted to clarify something. My grandmother was born and raised here in the Philippines, but became a Canadian citizen when she worked in Canada. My grandmother came back in the Philippines in year 2006 when she was 70 years old, but was not able to go back due to some sickness. 13 years later, today, she is in better shape and wishes to go back to Canada. So does this mean that her penalty fees will be Php 500 per month of overstaying plus the visa fees? In addition, when she’s able to go back to Canada, is she allowed to go back and visit Philippines again in the future?
Thank you and God Bless!
because of the length of her overstay, her penalties may be much higher, and almost certainly she would be blacklisted from returning to the Philippines. However, since she was born a Philippine citizen, why doesn’t she just become a dual citizen? That would be the easy way out and there would no longer be any penalties too.
I have a chinese friend, and his passport lost. Now, we dont know how to know the visa situation and maybe it expires. What are we going to do? Thanks for reply.
Go to the bureau of immigration and talk with him, they should have a record of his entry in their database.
What would happen if I overstayed my Visa for 2 weeks
that is not a big issue, it’s such a short time. You will just have to pay the fines before you leave. That would be the cost of the Visa renewal, plus 500 pesos for overstaying for less than one month.
What if we pay all the fees and penalties for the total of 33 months overstaying? The person is still subject to deportation?
Yes.
Sir, here is the situation, the US citizen came here in the Philippines Nov 2016,the following month he married a Filipina, 2 months later they separated (not legally) then he overstayed up until now. What is the best way to do? Is he still gonna get deported even after we pay all the fees and penalties? If so, how long before he can go back? Thank you for answering my queries.
Go to immigration and pay the fines. If he is lucky he will only get deported and not have to stay in jail. there is no way that he won’t be deported, because if you overstay more than 24 months deportation is automatic.
i was deported after 19 yrs being here they said because I didnt report a divorce 15 yrs ago. I had no idea i had to report a divorce. i remarried and eventually divorced her cuz she had a baby and it wasnt mine..but remarried and then when i went to renew my icard they asked papers and i gave them all the papers and they said i owed alot of money because i didnt report my divorce to my first wife. nobody in immigration in 18 years ever asked me if i was still married to my first wife. had they asked i wod have told them no im remarried and I wod have never gotten deported now..the papers from immigration also says also I am black listed. Im not a criminal why am I being blacklisted?The papers say if I pay the fines and fees I am eligible return to philippines…So im in states saving and saving money. Can I pay the fines and fees and get my name off black list here in the cosulate in Los Angeles and get visa to return to my home in Philippines?
I have experience the same thing where they were things about immigration that I was never informed of, and I also learned the hard way. I owed some fines. Luckily I found out early and did not oh very much. I guess what it comes down to is they are not responsible for telling you, although that does not make much sense. if you pay all the fines, it is possible that you can be removed from The blacklist, it may take a few years to do that or perhaps less. Your first step would be to pay off what you owe, and then start working on being taken off The blacklist. Good luck to you.
My son has overstayed his Visa by 6 momths. Do you know how much it would be to file an extension? I assume it’s close to $500 dollars but I want to be sure so he isn’t arrested when he goes for the extension. I need to wire him the funds and cant seem to get anyone to tell me what he owes to become current.
he will have to pay the visa extension fees that were unpaid, and 500 pesos for each month of overstay. A six-month overstay is not serious, he will not be arrested for that. It should be less than $200 for everything. Good luck.
Hi, Bob! My friend has entered Philippines illegally with his kids due some reasons, he stays there no longer then one month and wants to leave the country back home. As a bonus, the passports are missing but there are some other documents proving citizenship and relation with kids. What would be the fine and other troubles in this case and what needs to be done?
your friend has a very complicated situation, I don’t know what the fines will be, because I don’t know all of the details. The best thing you can do now is go to the bureau of immigration and try to work something out with them. If you wait until they catch him, there will be some very serious consequences.
My cousin is Chinese. She was deceived to work in the Philippines. She was detained with a passport after her arrival. She was forced to work without pay. She was found and rescued, but her visa expired for 6 months. She is already got the passport at the embassy, I will pick her up in the Philippines and pay her a fine. Can we go directly to the airport for the fine? Is there a fine at the customs? Can the credit card be paid? Thanks
you can do it at the airport only if she overstayed for a very short time, like a few days. Otherwise you have to do it at the bureau of immigration.
Thank you
Thanks for the reply. I’d like to know if there are any other administrative issues or penalties to resolve before we leave the Philippines in our case.
Hi bob, my friend indian overstayed for 1 month in the philippines but now having trouble going back and is being ask to pay by the immigration, 200k pesos.is that reasonable?
No, something is wrong about that.
How to get rid of the blacklist of a foreigner in the Philippine Immigration?
Good day sir Bob, just wanna ask and need help, My fiancé is a Chinese national and he work here before in the Philippines without a proper visa he is just a tourist before. The fact that it was his first time travelling abroad, the reason why he overstayed in the country is that he took the advantage to work in the country as utility staff/worker in a hydroelectric power plant at Ilocos Norte. Knowing that he only should have stayed here in the country as a tourist instead, he violated the law. Apparently, we met here in Ilocos Norte since April 2019 and we fell in love with each other and we are expecting a baby soon, he just sent back to China last June 2019 and he returned again here and we intend to married here but the immigration in Manila sent him back to his country. What are we going to do to make clear his name on the blacklist? Is he going to jail if he violate the rules in philippines?
Hi Bob
Being on a 30 day visa free in the Philippines for the 1st time as an American citizen I had to rebook my flight back to the US and as a result I will be overstaying for 3 days. I was wondering if I could just pay the penalty to resolve it and if yes how much the total fines will be. Or do you have a better advise for me. I still have 4 days before my 30 day visa free stay is over.
Best regards,
Chris
You should go to the bureau of immigration and extend your Visa. if you just wait and pay the fines, you will have to pay the extension and defiance. If you just go extended there will be no fines.
hello bob,
i have been here since oct 2017 ,i just got married in
april now have a son also,i am mehind on immgration over one year can i still get res card or do i have to oay vack payments?
Do I have to pay the fines.
Hi Bob,
I have a friend who has overstayed in the Philippines for 19 years now. Even if she can afford the penalty she is afraid she will do jail time if she goes to the BI. Is it possible to pay the penalties and not be jailed? In other words, will you only be put to jail if you can’t pay the penalties and fees?
She has kids born there too, what will happen to the kids if she was to be deported? Can they go with her?
Thank you Bob.
I don’t really know enough about her situation to answer oh, but there’s a good likelihood that she will spend some time in jail, or at least be deported. The only thing she can do at this point is go to the bureau of immigration and they will tell her what will happen. They’re the only ones who can answer the question. Perhaps you should get an attorney, and let them handle it.
What should I do if I’m not deported but I took a voluntary deportion and I over stayed near 4 years in the Philippines. Should I pay penalty’s or am I be getting blacklist?
If you want to ever go back to the Philippines, you’re going to have to pay the penalties.
I have an american friend that planning of coming back here in philippines but he was ovestayed the last time that he visited here and now he wanted to visit again.. is he possible to visit here?
Based on the information you have given me, I have no way of knowing if it’s possible or not. Was he blacklisted?
How about student visa expired about two weeks and leave the country, cause i heard one to two months is okay. Or if there is problem will it be okay to pay penalty on airport immigration rather than waiting more than two weeks for downgrade process cause i have to go philippines before that like new week, Please let me know?
Hi bob! Im 46yrs of age now. I was born and raised in the US. My dad and mom was Filipino but my Dad was the only one who is an American Citizen. I was staying here in the Philippines for 26yrs now since 1994. Im planning to go back to the US. What should I do for my overstay? Or is there any way to do to lessen my fees for overstaying here in the Philippines?
If your mother was a Philippine citizen then you can apply for Dual Citizenship, and once you complete that you won’t owe any penalties to the Philippine government. If you don’t go for Dual citizenship then you will be fined a huge sum for an overstay of 20 years.
Hello Sir so I got here in The Phillipines on November 14th 2019- December 14th 2019 which is my 30 day visa free waiver. I might be here additional 2 more months and plan on leaving back to US, would you know the cost of the penalty and what advise would you give me on when does it start to get serious or into real trouble. The Airlines did not compensate me for my flight nor rebook my flight and i missed my flight back to US on November 27th due to some confusion with the 3rd party agency and Korean Air. Just want ro know your input
Hi Xavier
Not sure why you didn’t extend the visa before it expired! The penalty is P500 per month that you are late, plus renewal fees. Take care of it now, not later. It gets very serious after 24 months overstay when they blacklist you from entering the country again.
Hi Bob, I have a Canadian friend who overstay in the Philippines. What are the first steps to take? Does he need a lawyer? And what government lawyer can you recommend? How much would it cost for a government lawyer? Please and Thank you..
With the amount of information that you gave me, it’s hard for me to be able to help. I don’t know enough. Generally, if he has overstayed for more than two years, then it becomes a serious matter. if he is over stage less than 2 years, he can just go pay the fines and there really won’t be much difficulty. You ask where is the first place to start. that would be to go to the bureau of immigration find out what the penalties are in pay them. Good luck.
Hello, Bob. We’re foreigners who overstayed almost 3 months. We didn’t do this on purpose. We lived in the Philippines for 34 months and decided to leave for a few days and move back for the next 36 months. At that moment, when we entered the country, we were detained at the airport, and immigration officer said that we should be deported, but if we have friends who can make a petition to the main office of the immigration, we can contact them. We did so. Our Filipino “friends”, as they said, turned to the head office, where they were told that we had to pay a certain amount (320,000 pesos) to let into the country. We spent a week at the airport, collecting money from friends and acquaintances. We sent all this money to our Filipino “friends”, and after paying 60,000 pesos, we was allowed enter into the country. “Friends” said that the rest we have to pay the next day, which we did. After that, shortly before the month of our new stay in the country expired, the “friends” said that it would be better if they extended us a visa themselves. They took our passports, saying that they have a friend in the immigration service who will do everything necessary. After that, they only promised us every time that our visas would be ready tomorrow, next week, next Tuesday, and so on. Thus, we were in the country without passports, hoping that the “friends” would do everything right. They took a power of attorney from us, brought in forms to fill out, the same as we filled at the immigration office when renewing a visa before, and demanded money for renewal. Finally, we stopped believing them and, albeit with difficulty, were able to return our passports. However, now we are faced with a problem: having received passports, we saw that since our entry into the country, we have not had a single visa, that is, our “friends” who said that everything was in order, deceived us, as a result of which we were overstayed almost three months. Now we plan to sue the “friends” for cheating, but we don’t know what to do with overstaying. Should we contact the nearest immigration bureau as soon as possible, tell whole story, pay all fees and live in peace? Will the visa be extended to us? Can we renew the visas after that? We would like to stay in the country. We are also afraid that these “friends” may convey to us. What should we do?
I am 100% sure that you are being scammed. When you paid money, each time, did you get an Official Receipt? Not some handwritten receipt, but a government-issued “OR”?
Forget the lawsuit, you can never win. The court system is geared toward locals, not foreigners.
The penalty for a 3-month overstay is very minimal.
Thank you for answering, we really appreciate it. When we paid money we was in transit zone of airport, not allowed to go outside or meet someone from outside, so all transactions was online and we haven’t any official receipt (all payment, as they said, did our “friends” in head office of immigration, and (if) there were any official receipts, them receive “friends” without showing us anything after we was allowed to enter to the country. Now we’re mostly worrying about visa extension, then about money or lawsuit. Tomorrow we’ll go to immigration office hoping that everything will be all right, that we can explain why we overstayed
Hi my name is vijay a malaysian citizen, married to filipina. We use to live in malaysia and all of sudden i have to move to phillippines with my wife and 2 kids. My children are malaysian citizen as well. We got 1 year visa when we entered. Actually because of some personal problem back in my country and financial difficulty i have stayed here beyond the 1 year visa. Now im here with my 2 kids over 14 months from the actual visa. I plan to leave the country now because i manage to save some money. I reading thru some post’s by people overstay herr thay they are paying according to the fee schedule. Im not a criminal or blacklisted back in Malaysia. Could you please advice me what should i do?
Hi, So im half filipina and came with a student visa while I converted my citizenship to dual. However, my family neglected to tell me that the student visa was cancelled and had no help to translate my citizenshio to dual. is my case same to a foreigner with no PH citizenship?
If you did not convert your citizenship to dual then you are a foreigner.